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Category:17th-century Franco-Flemish composers has been nominated for merging

Category:17th-century Franco-Flemish composers has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

May music

story · music · places

Thank you for your support for Haydn! - Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear (DYK) and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old (OTD). - Five links to composers in that one hook, DYK? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I noticed that! Not my favourite composers, though.... I'm actually listening to the Haydn string quartets at the moment. Some georgeous music there.— Iadmc♫^talk  21:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Agree. - Five composers, and four have an infobox ;) - The Zemlinsky opera I heard has some gorgeous music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Today's focus is Ethel Smyth (per the TPF), written by many, also with an infobox, and I wonder if it could become GA if not FA even. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't think the Composers group is as acrive as it once was. Certainly the militants - if we can call them that - are all gone. Ethyl Smyth is an interesting composer. What can we do to make it GA? — Iadmc♫^talk  06:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

June music

story · music · places

I just wrote to you on Mahler, and want to get a bit more personal. Ethel Smyth: I just found her article well sourced, but don't know much about her. My only contrib so far was the infobox ;) - I like to give prominence to woman in music.

Infoboxes: some users think nothing changed, and I believe things changed, but not those users. There is a general acceptance now for infoboxes for people who also composed classical works - most of them also being musicians, conductors, teachers ... - but not for articles written by those users, Mahler being one of them. I described my approach a while ago, in a nutshell: add an infobox (directly in the article), but if it is reverted walk away ;) - Adding: it may also help not to think of colleagues as "militant". Listening to music is much better! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt Thanks. My approach is to ask. But Bold Revert Discuss works too. — Iadmc♫^talk  14:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Ask, and you'll get the same no by the same people. I just received one on Mahler (and here I tried to explain in detail ...) - ignore ignore ignore. If you visit my user page, there are two related discussion, about how to mention works in composer's infoboxes (because: see. Mahler), and about a possible MoS change. Perhaps read those to get a feeling for the minefield that these harmless boxes have become (and I don't know why, must have happened before I even joined, and thought it was over in 2015 when the Beethoven compromise was found). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

The infoboxes thing has been going on since the beginning of Wikipedia. The composers group was especially vocal against them. Read through the various discussions and the RfC... Also, read the composers' advice on their project page. — Iadmc♫^talk  14:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

ps: Kafka died 100 years ago OTD, and some discussions look kafkaesque to me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt lol — Iadmc♫^talk  14:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

You may know that I was "sentenced" in the infoboxes arbcase, and Kafka and Bach were my replies ;) - I was FA conom for Kafka for FAC, DYK? (And guess what: I also didn't change.) I was a FAC conom with the leading writers Brian Boulton and Tim Riley for Messiah (Handel), and that's why Tim's responses take more effort to ignore than those of others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah. OK. History. Me too: I was Jubileeclipman until I scrambled my password and moved away from it all. I returned as me now to see if anything had changed and it seems some things have, others not... I initiated the infobox RfC, so some of the old guard generally dislike me... — Iadmc♫^talk  14:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I like you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! — Iadmc♫^talk  15:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the new boxes! As explained for Leighton: you can keep it simple, just add a box and unwatch. It will stay or not, who cares ;) - Of the hundreds I added, few were reverted, typically the featured articles, and Stockhausen. In today's story, I list four composers, one too short for a box (would need translation from French first), two had one, and I added one. I recently had a DYK with five composers, and Mahler was the only one without. The infobox wars were over by 2015 (with Beethoven), or 2023 (with Mozart), only some users refuse to accept it. - The basic misconception is that the box has to "sum up", - I said already in the Beethoven discussion that not even the lead can do it. No, it just has to provide key facts at a predictable place. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Is the composers group still active? No word of objection or support from there! A shame if it is dead. — Iadmc♫^talk  07:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm the wrong person to ask ;) - I was a friend of Jerome Kohl (wrote his article, read his talk: we missed the same people). He liked infoboxes for compositions, and came to accept those for composers, - see Aaron Copland. I never lost the respect of Brian Boulton who gave me great feedback in the FAC for Kafka and other articles. After they both died not much seems left of the "group". I was never a member but run the cabal of outcast ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

That's the first I knew JK and Brian are dead. :( I guess we are all getting on... Kohl helped me start the 21st-century classical music article and guided me on other things. Requiem in Pace — Iadmc♫^talk  08:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

GuillaumeTell is dead too as is SlimVirgin. Both sorely missed! — Iadmc♫^talk  08:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I met GT, Andrew Cooper, just after the infobox RfC. Great guy. — Iadmc♫^talk  08:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, missed much. I keep the memory of Jerome and Brian on my talk whenever there's a Recent death on the Main page (which is almost daily), - cheating a bit today, because Hugues Gall was yesterday, but that was Kafka's day - 173k views even the day before (no stats yet for yesterday). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

New pics of spectacular weather, with Donner. Another interesting person: Alexander Lang. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that article. Looks interesting — Iadmc♫^talk  21:10, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

And hail, fire and brimstone here today! — Iadmc♫^talk  21:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Today's story is about a tune used by Bach and Mozart. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

That's lovely! Thanks — Iadmc♫^talk  20:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Bach and Mozart use the compromise introduced in 2013 for Percy Grainger, by Brian, with a neutral list of works as a summary of a composer's achievements. After stability for more than a decade, it was recently removed for Grainger and for Schumann, which makes me sad, but I am not the person to be heard in the matter. You seem to be more in favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Not quite sure what you mean by "a neutral list of works as a summary of a composer's achievements". The blocks of paragraphs at Percy_Grainger#Music is a bit daunting though! — Iadmc♫^talk  12:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

As you will recall, a key objection to an infobox for classical composers was that their achievements cannot be summarised (and let's not debate if a summary is even needed). Brian, however, introduced a link to the List of works by Percy Grainger in his attempt to find a compromise, which seemed clever and reasonable to me, and remained stable until now. I believe that the infobox would be more meaningful with that link. Same for FAC article Schumann. The list was there since 2020, and stable until last week. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah! I thought it was standard to link to the List page. obviously not @Gerda Arendt— Iadmc♫^talk  15:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I added the list of works back to Grainger's infobox and raised the issue for Schumann at FAC — Iadmc♫^talk  16:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I had typed some explanation but you seem to be good at mind-reading and don't need it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Today I wanted to write a happy song story, on a friend's birthday, but instead we have the word of thunder on top of it, which would have been better on 2 June, this year's first Sunday after Trinity. The new lilypond - thanks to DanCherek - is quite impressive. As my 2 Jun story said: Bach was fired up. - Today's Main page is rich in music, also Franz Liszt and a conductor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Great about main page - except the Eurovision! — Iadmc♫^talk  15:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Still great. I checked the histories for Grainger and Schumann in more detail. Grainger: it may interest Tr that our friend Brian pursued the "rotten idea" (which had been the key idea of infobox classical composer if you ask me) in his first approach for a compromise in 2013. It stayed until someone else removed it in 2016 (which I didn't see then). I restored it because it was in the first design. Schumann: the infobox is old, but I added the "rotten idea" when I brought Clara Schumann to GA. It remained stable until very recently, - with dozens of edits per day in the process of bringing it to FA, I didn't see that either until later, or I could have reverted it on the spot as a bold edit. Your turn ;) - You may remember that Brian wrote this essay. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll not disturbe Schumann while it's at FAC. Maybe later. The arguments by Tim against the list going in the infobox are ludicrous: it links elsewhere (bad), Bonn, Clara etc being in the body already is OK, though... Hm, they still link elsewhere! Makes no sense. Anyway, I don't want to start an edit war or anything so I'll wait — Iadmc♫^talk  15:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Don't edit war in the article, but complete the discussion during the FAC. These FA writers love to cite "the agreed FA version" as if it was something holy preventing changes. I don't want to enter because I feel uninvited from their reviews. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hm. The problem is Tim seems to run the show no one else has commented on the issue. Oh well I'll crack on — Iadmc♫^talk  16:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Normally people don't even look at the comments of others. He can be such a gentleman, and was to me, and I have no idea what changed that (in 2016, not in the early days of infobox discussions). I certainly didn't change, nor my attitude towards accessibility ;) - When I look at the the stats for Schumann's works I think I see when the link to the list of compositions left the infobox, - is that really what we want? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Here no explanation except "additional info and refs; rem uncited material". I'll bring it up. — Iadmc♫^talk  17:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Did you read the Forcelink discussion linked from my user page which clearly said it's not a breach of MoS? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I have now. Interesting — Iadmc♫^talk  02:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I worked on Kafka, and find it kafkaesque to disconnect a composer from his works. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm out today. Short question: what do you think of the Aaron Copland compromise? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Sneaky... LOL — Iadmc♫^talk  15:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Laudonia (ensemble) (June 7)

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