Category talk:Organizations that oppose same-sex marriage

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Note: This category grew out of discussions at LGBT_rights_opposition#Supporters.2FOpponents_of_same-sex_marriage and other parts of that Talk page debating the question of whether "rights opposition" was such a vague term as to create POV and/or BLP issues. --je deckertalk 16:39, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Churches[edit]

I like the idea of the category, but I don't think churches should be included under it. They are not organizations per se. What do everybody else thinks?--Coquidragon (talk) 02:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

In my view, churches are without question "organizations". Most large churches in the US are classified by the Internal Revenue Service as 501(c)3 tax-exempt organizations. Should they be denied this status? Of course not.
The first church I looked at from the list, if you follow it's main category up you'll discover that the Category:Organizations is a parent category of the one it's located in. Should it be removed? Of course not.
In my view, It would be highly non-neutral of us to exclude churches, so long as their position and participation in same-sex marriage debates is notable. It *is* important to not simply make this a laundry list of positions of different organizations, but to limit it to notable participants, whose participation is evidenced via sources. Glancing through the list, and I might have missed something, I see no problem. .--joe deckertalk to me 21:30, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Category:Organizations that oppose LGBT rights[edit]

I have removed Category:Organizations that oppose LGBT rights as a parent category for this article. The category is currently discussed at CFD, but even if a more neutral name was found (e.g. Category:Groups advocating anti-LGBT positions) it is still not appropriate for it to be a parent category of this category. This is because some pro-LGBT organizations, such as Bash Back! oppose same-sex marriage. In other words, opposition to same-sex marriage is not necessarily an "anti-LGBT" position. StAnselm (talk) 07:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I have agreed to not make any additional change within [:Category:Organizations that oppose LGBT rights] nor will I add the parent category to any pages until the CfD is resolved. I still contend that an organization can oppose a single LGBT right (while supporting others) and still be included in a category of organizations that oppose LGBT rights. I understand how it could be misconstrued, but LGBT rights does ≠ all LGBT rights. – MrX 13:04, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
To use the hackneyed phrase, Bash Back! (Gay Shame, AE) is the exception that proves the rule. It doesn't invalidate the entire rest of the category. I rather suspect the edit-warring to remove the category has more to do with the desire to deny that marriage is a right. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 18:06, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Suggestions[edit]

I'm not a Wikipedia member, so I can't create pages, but looking at the coverage of the French marriage equality movement, some of the groups on the anti-side have gotten a lot of coverage. Does anyone want to make pages for Manif pour tous, Civitas, French Spring, and Hommen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.75.121 (talk) 04:59, 30 July 2013 (UTC)