Category talk:User en-N

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How can we encourage more users to use the language tags? I'm a newish user and am not well acquainted with all the announcements pages and so on. Shane Smith 20:31, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Language tags[edit]

(added heading afterwords --Tunheim 08:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC))
I don't understand how they work. I stumbled upon this page after reading another person's profile. I'd like to be pointed to a guide to language tages. Please leave a note on my talk page if you can help. Thanks. --Westendgirl 04:32, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

How does one put a tag on?--1 black hand °T° 17:26, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi. You can add the "native speaker of English" tag by adding {{Babel-1|en}} to your user page. Complete instructions are available at Wikipedia:Babel, but I will add them to this page as well. -- Rachel 17:42, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

3[edit]

I'm somewhat concerned about Category:User en-3, the text of which is "These users are able to contribute with an advanced level of English". It's the third of four grades for non-native English speakers, but the wording strongly suggests that it's even better' than Category:User en-4 and Category:User en-N. It should be made explicit that, despite being advanced, the user is still not a native English speaker. -Ashley Pomeroy 15:41, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

You should also take a look at Category:User en-5. I'm not certain what "professional level" implies. Is that the skill level of a professional, such as a doctor or lawyer, or is the skill level of someone who specialises in English, such as an editor? David Corbett 23:45, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Like a native speaker?[edit]

My native language is not English, but having grown up in Australia, I use English like a native speaker. I use this particular tag, but it's not entirely clear whether it's for people whose native tongue is English, or those with competencies near that of a native speaker. What is the actual role of this tag? Should the wording be changed? 02:46, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Being Irish, I was thinking the same thing.--Danny Invincible 22:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

One +cat only[edit]

We only need to put Native Users in the EN-N +cat and then add the EN +cat to the bottom of EN-N +cat. Thanks SirIsaacBrock

Some details about how language tag categories work?[edit]

I don't understand what the N does. [[Category:User en|N]] vs. [[Category:User en]] The first tag is in use at the page Category:User_en-N --Tunheim 08:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

It just sorts the entry by "N" rather than "User en-N". Rich Farmbrough, 20:31, 16 March 2012 (UTC).

Better level?[edit]

Why does the en-N say that the next better level is en-5, while the en-5 article says that en-N is better? It seems logical that en-N is better, but that's just me. C0N6R355 20:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I fixed it. Taric25 03:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Next worse level?[edit]

A little vandalism I guess.Tourskin 18:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Some concensus needed[edit]

Not just here, but for all language categories. I think it should be based on functional competency. I also believe the Native category should be removed from the scale - I know non-native speakers who are embarrasingly more fluent and with a greater vocabulary than native speakers.

If the IELTS scale, which uses nine bands, is used as a template, we could define language fluency according to these requirements

en-1 = upto level 3 ("extremely limited user - Conveys and understands only general meaning in very familiar situations. Frequent breakdowns in communication occur."). If you think this is too generous for somebody claiming some fluency we can go up to level 4 ("limited user - Basic competence is limited to familiar situations. Has frequent problems in use of complex language.")

en-2 = upto level 5 ("modest user - Has partial command of the language, coping with overall meaning in most situations, though is likely to make many mistakes. Should be able to handle basic communication in own field.").

en-3 = upto level 7 ("good user - Has operational command of the language, though with occasional inaccuracies, inappropriacies and misunderstandings in some situations. Generally handles complex language well and understands detailed reasoning.").

en-4 up to level 9 ("expert user - Has fully operational command of the language: appropriate, accurate and fluent with complete understanding."

any comments?Kransky 02:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)