Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate

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Georgia Bulldogs–Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
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Georgia Tech Georgia
Location
Atlanta Athens
Students
20,487 33,458
School Colors
White & Gold Red & Black
Mascot
Buzz Uga
Football History
First Meeting November 4, 1893
First Result GT 28 - UGA 6
Latest Meeting November 30, 2013
Latest Result UGA 41 - GT 34
Next Meeting TBD, 2014
Current Streak UGA 5
Longest Streak GT 8 (1949–56)
Series Record UGA 64 - GT 39 - 5 Ties
Men's Basketball
First Meeting March 10, 1906
First Result GT 27 - UGA 13
Last Meeting November 15, 2013
Last Result GT 80 - UGA 71
Series Record GT 104 - UGA 86
Titles
Football National Titles
  • Georgia Tech - 4 (1917, 1928, 1952, 1990)
  • Georgia - 2 (1942,1980) [1]

Football Conference Championships

  • Georgia Tech - 16 (SIAA: 1916, 1917, 1918, 1920, 1921; SoCon: 1922, 1927, 1928; SEC: 1939, 1943, 1944, 1951, 1952; ACC: 1990, 1998, 2009)
  • Georgia - 14 (SIAA: 1896, 1920; SEC: 1942, 1946, 1959, 1966, 1968, 1976, 1980, 1981, 1982, 2002, 2005)

Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate is the nickname given to an American college football rivalry between the Georgia Bulldogs football team of the University of Georgia and Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets football team of the Georgia Institute of Technology. The two Georgia universities are separated by 70 miles (110 km) and have been heated rivals since 1893. While the sports rivalry between the two institutions has traditionally focused on football, they also compete in a variety of other intercollegiate sports, as well as competing for government and private funding, potential students, and academic recognition within the state and nationally.[2]

The Georgia Institute of Technology (commonly referred to as Georgia Tech, Tech, or GT), is an engineering research university located in the state's capital and largest city, Atlanta. The University of Georgia (commonly referred to as Georgia or UGA) is located in quintessential-college-town Athens, and is a liberal arts research university. The academic and geographic divergence of the two institutions polarizes the state of Georgia into two large fan bases.

Series history[edit]

Establishment[edit]

Georgia was founded on January 27, 1785. Georgia Tech was founded 100 years later on October 13, 1885. Patrick Hues Mell, the president of the University of Georgia at that time, was a firm believer that the new school should be located in Athens with UGA's main campus, like the Agricultural and Mechanical School.[3] Despite Mell's arguments, the new school was located near what was then the northern city limits of Atlanta.[3]

The first known hostilities between the two schools trace back to 1891. The University of Georgia's literary magazine declared the school's colors to be "old gold, black, and crimson." Dr. Charles H. Herty, the first UGA football coach, felt that old gold was too similar to yellow and that yellow "symbolized cowardice."[4] Also in 1891, a student vote chose old gold and white as Georgia Tech's school colors.[5] After the 1893 football game against Tech, Herty removed old gold as an official school color.[4] Tech would first use old gold for their uniforms, as a proverbial slap in the face to UGA, in their first unofficial football game against Auburn in 1891.[6] Georgia Tech's school colors would henceforth be old gold and white.

Wartime disruption[edit]

Fuel was added to the fire in 1919, when UGA mocked Tech's continuation of football during the United States' involvement in World War I. At the time, Tech was a military training ground and had a complete assembly of male students. Many schools, such as UGA, had lost the vast majority of their able-bodied male students to the war effort, forcing them to temporarily suspend football during the war. As a result, UGA did not play a football game from 1917–18.[7] When UGA renewed its program in 1919, the student body staged a parade, which mocked Tech's continuation of football during times of war. The parade featured a tank shaped float emblazoned with the words "UGA IN ARGONNE" followed by a yellow-clad donkey and a sign that read "TECH IN ATLANTA." This act would lead directly to Tech cutting athletic ties with UGA and canceling several of UGA's home football games at Grant Field (UGA commonly used Grant Field as its home field).[8] Tech and UGA would not compete in athletics until the 1921 Southern Conference basketball tournament. Regular season competition would not renew until a 1925 agreement between the two institutions.[8]

Fight songs[edit]

The fight songs, sung at every sporting event, have even been tailored to the rivalry. The "Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech" was first published in the Georgia Tech yearbook, The Blueprint,[6] and was written following the first UGA football game in which UGA fans harassed the Georgia Tech players and fans.[6] Hence the infamous chorus "To Hell with Georgia" was written.[6] "Up With the White and Gold," published in 1929, featured the lyrics "Down with the red and black" and even "Drop the battle axe on Georgia's head."[6] Georgia's unofficial fight song, "Glory, Glory" was arranged in 1909 and remains unchanged to this day. Officially, the end of the fight song is "G-E-O-R-G-I-A" but Georgia fans change the lyrics to "To hell with Georgia Tech!" during the Georgia-Georgia Tech game.[9] The official fight song of The University of Georgia is actually "Hail to Georgia". Many confuse this as "Glory, Glory" is played more often, similar to University of Tennessee and their fight song "Down the Field" and their most played song "Rocky Top".[10]

Game results[edit]

Georgia victories are colored ██ red. Georgia Tech victories are colored ██ gold. Ties are white.

A The University of Georgia's athletic association lists the Bulldogs' 1943 and 1944 losses, but does not include them in its calculation of the series win-loss record; Georgia Tech's athletic association includes the Yellow Jackets' 1943 and 1944 wins in the series record.

Series record sources: 2010 Georgia Tech Football,[11] 2011 Georgia Football Media Guide,[12] and College Football Data Warehouse.[13]

Traditions[edit]

It is common for Georgia fans to refer to the Georgia Institute of Technology as Georgia Tech University, GTU, or North Avenue Trade School. The "GTU" nickname is derived from the common mistitle given to Georgia Tech in media outlets. Also, since Georgia Tech is an engineering school, Georgia fans often refer to Tech fans as nerds, dorks, Techies, or Gnats. The school's campus and Grant Field front North Avenue in downtown Atlanta, giving rise to the "Trade School" nickname.[14]

A common rallying cry for students of Georgia Tech is the question "What's the good word?" often repeated three times (the answer being "To Hell with Georgia!")[15] and, on the fourth time, will then ask "How 'bout them Dawgs?" ("Piss on 'em!") Tech students have also created an unofficial fight song entitled '"To Hell With Georgia", which is set to tune of The Battle Hymn of the Republic and refers to UGA as "the cesspool of the South."[16][17]

The school newspapers of the two institutions often mock their rival institution. The Red and Black, Georgia's newspaper, usually has several jokes and articles mocking Georgia Tech the week before the football game.The Technique, Georgia Tech's newspaper, prints a special edition mocking The Red and Black,[18] and commonly refers to its rival as "The University (sic) of Georgia."[18] The special edition features several articles of parody and humor based on fictitious happenings at the University of Georgia, and is known as "To Hell With Georgia," after the school's popular cheer. On years where the schools play their match at UGA's Sanford Stadium, Technique staff distribute the issue across UGA's campus.[18]

UGA students traditionally ring the school's Chapel Bell until midnight following any home football win. However, when UGA beats Tech, the bell rings all night long. Tech has a similar tradition with its whistle. UGA's Chapel Bell and Georgia Tech's Ramblin' Wreck have been rumored to have been stolen numerous times by their respective rival before, after, or even during major sporting events between the two schools.[19] The bulldog statue in front of UGA's Memorial Hall was stolen by Tech students at one point. The culprits put the UGA and Tech police on a scavenger hunt to find the missing bulldog.[20] Many fans of the respective institutions refuse to even partake in clothing, food, or other materials of their rival's school colors. Examples include Georgia fans refusing to eat mustard or Georgia Tech fans refusing to use red pens.

Two Georgia Tech fight songs refer to UGA in their lyrics: "Up With the White and Gold" has the lyric "down with the Red & Black", and "Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech" contains the lyric "To Hell with Georgia". No UGA fight song officially refers to Tech, but "Glory, Glory" ends with the line "G-E-O-R-G-I-A" which is often unofficially replaced with "And to hell with Georgia Tech".

Sports[edit]

Coaching Matchups
Sport GT Coach Record vs. UGA UGA Coach Record vs. GT
Baseball Danny Hall (34-28) Scott Stricklin (1-0)
Basketball (M) Brian Gregory (3-0) Mark Fox (2-3)
Basketball (W) MaChelle Joseph (2-3) Andy Landers (27-3)
Football Paul Johnson (1-4) Mark Richt (11-1)
Softball Sharon Perkins (4-2) Lu Harris (10-7)
Volleyball Tonya Johnson (1-0) Joel McCartney (0-3)

Football[edit]

The game has been played 108 times according to Georgia Tech and only 106 times according to Georgia record books. Georgia discredits two games in 1943 and 1944 (both years in which Georgia Tech won) because many of their players went to fight in World War II, though official college football records include the games.[21] The game has been played in either Athens or Atlanta alternating every year since 1928. Georgia Tech holds 4 national titles and Georgia holds 2 national titles for a total of 6 national titles. The two schools also have a total of 30 conference titles (16 for Tech, 14 for Georgia) between them, making the rivalry a battle between two historically prestigious programs.

The record between the two teams is 64 Georgia wins, 39 Georgia Tech wins, and five ties. Georgia Tech's longest winning streak, and the longest in the series, was eight games from 1949–1956. Georgia's longest winning streak in the series was seven straight games from 1991 to 1997 and again from 2001 to 2007. Georgia won the most recent game in the series on November 30, 2013 with a thrilling 41-34 2OT victory at Bobby Dodd Stadium. They now lead the series 64-39-5. The victor wins the Governor's Cup.

The first Georgia Tech football team

The first time the two teams met on the football field was on November 4, 1893.[22][23] The then Georgia School of Technology (Georgia Tech's original name) Blacksmiths led by coaches Stanley E. "Stan" Borleske and Casey C. Finnegan traveled 70 miles (110 km) by train to play the Georgia team coached by Ernest Brown in Athens at Herty Field.[24] The Blacksmiths defeated Georgia handily 28-6[25] on four scores by Leonard Wood,[2] a thirty-three-year-old United States Army physician and future Medal of Honor recipient.[26] During and after the game, disgruntled Georgia fans threw rocks and other debris at the Georgia Tech players and chased the victorious Blacksmiths back to their awaiting train.[26]

At one time early in the last half of the game, a stone was hurled at one of the Tech players, striking him a cruel blow in the head... At another time, one of the Athenians drew a knife and threatened one of the Techs' better players... The Techs were also poked and gouged with canes on plays toward the boundary lines... Some of the crowd had the privilege of the gridiron equally with the players.[25]

The next day in the Atlanta Journal, an Athens journalist accused Tech of using "a heterogeneous collection of Atlanta residents - a United States Army surgeon, a medical student, a lawyer, and an insurance agent among them, with here and there a student of Georgia's School of Technology thrown in to give the mixture a Technological flavor."[24] Hence, the sports rivalry was born.

In 1908, UGA attacked Tech's recruitment tactics in football.[27] UGA alumni incited a Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association investigation into Tech's recruitment of a player UGA had recruited as well. The Georgia Alumni claimed that Tech had created a fraudulent scholarship fund, which they used to persuade the player to attend Tech rather than UGA.[27] The SIAA ruled in favor of Tech but the 1908 game was cancelled that season due to bad blood between the rivals.[27]

The only true break in the series dates back to 1917 and the United States entry into World War I. The two institutions felt that the rivalry had grown too intense, fueled by Georgia's inflammatory accusations that Georgia Tech was cowardly because the school continued its football program during wartime while Georgia suspended its program for the football seasons of 1917 and 1918.[22] The game renewed play again in 1925.[22]

In 1932, Georgia Tech and Georgia were two of the original 13 charter members of the Southeastern Conference.[28] Georgia Tech would continue its membership until 1964 after Tech Coach Bobby Dodd began a historic feud with Alabama Coach Bear Bryant. Georgia Tech left the SEC concerning the allocation of scholarships and student athlete treatment. Georgia Tech would later attempt re-entry but the re-entry was eventually voted down. The biggest opponent of Georgia Tech's re-entry was Georgia.[29] Lacking a league in which to compete, Georgia Tech helped charter the Metro Conference in 1975 for all sports besides football (where it remained independent for 15 years).[30] Tech eventually joined the Atlantic Coast Conference in 1979.[31]

Basketball[edit]

The Georgia Tech and Georgia basketball rivalry can be just as heated as its football counterpart. The two teams have played 186 times with Georgia Tech holding 101 wins over Georgia's 86 wins. The first game between the two basketball teams was on March 10, 1906. Georgia Tech won the game 27-13 in Athens. The longest winning streak by UGA was 7 games, which occurred twice from 1909–1921 and from 1980–1984. Georgia Tech accumulated a 10-game winning streak, its longest over UGA, from 1958–1961. The series is dominated by the home team. The home record since 1906 is 111-53 (67.7%) while 23 games in the series have been played on neutral courts.[32]

The Georgia Tech vs. Georgia game was played in the Omni Coliseum for 14 years beginning in 1981 and ending in 1994. The series in the Omni favored the Yellow Jackets with an 8-6 record.[32] The neutrality of the Omni, because of its proximity to Georgia Tech, came into question by the UGA athletic department in 1993 so the series was renewed as an alternating home court event. The home team has won every game but four since the home court advantage was reinstated, Georgia won two road games (2000, 2010); Georgia Tech won two (2011, 2013). Since 1994, the Tech-UGA basketball game has had the highest average attendance for both teams at their respective stadiums.

9 other games were played on neutral courts. These games occurred in the SIC Tournament (1921 & 1923), SEC tournament (1934, 1945, 1946, & 1948), and the Gator Bowl Tournament (1952, 1953, & 1960). Tech holds a 5-4 record in these tournaments over Georgia.[32]

On an ironic note, after tornadoes forced the 2008 SEC Men's Basketball Tournament to be moved from the Georgia Dome to Georgia Tech's home court Alexander Memorial Coliseum (now known as Hank McCamish Pavilion), the Bulldogs pulled off an unlikely stretch of three wins in thirty hours to win the tournament on their bitter rivals' home court.

Baseball[edit]

April 16, 1898, the first baseball game between Georgia and Georgia Tech, then known as the Georgia School of Technology was played with Georgia winning 18 to 4.[33] The game was played at the newly created ballfields in Piedmont Park located in the center of the horse race track, almost exactly where they still are today.[34][35] Piedmont Park served the Atlanta Crackers, the city's original professional baseball team, before they moved to a stadium on Ponce de Leon Avenue in 1904.[36]

The two baseball teams have met 345 times since 1898. Georgia Tech has 148 wins, Georgia has 195 wins, and there are 2 ties in the series.[37] Three baseball games are played between the two institutions every year. Two of the three games are played at the respective colleges' baseball stadiums while the finale is played at Turner Field, home of the Atlanta Braves. The 2004 Georgia Tech vs. Georgia Game at Turner Field had the second most spectators in college baseball history with 28,836 fans in attendance.[38]

Since the reformatting of the NCAA Baseball Tournament in 1999, Tech and UGA have hosted eight super regionals - the fourthmost super regionals hosted by a state behind California, Texas, and Florida. The two teams have met six times in the NCAA tournament with Georgia holding a 4-2 edge over Tech. Georgia has eliminated Tech three times in tournament play in 1987, 2001, and 2008. Tech avenged the 2001 elimination by eliminating UGA in 2002.[37] Tech and UGA's latest meeting in the 2008 NCAA tournament saw UGA sweep Tech in a two game series, which eliminated Tech from the tournament.

Georgia Tech has currently won 5 out of the last 6 against their cross-state rivals, outscoring UGA 68-34 in those 6 meetings. This dates back to 2009, where the two teams split games and a third was cancelled due to weather. In 2010, Georgia Tech swept the season series against UGA, winning games in Atlanta, at Turner Field, and a 25-6 win in Athens. Georgia Tech continued their recent dominance entering the 2011 year by winning the first game of the series, 15-6, in Athens. The Jackets and Dawgs will play in Atlanta and at Turner Field to conclude the 2011 series.

Other sports[edit]

Georgia Tech and Georgia enjoy healthy rivalries in all other sports in which the two universities compete, most notably softball, women's basketball, and various club sports.

In 2008 the Cross Country and Track teams began a revival of what had once been a common occurrence with short series of events dubbed the "Old School" Dual meets. The two teams competed in a total of five one on one competitions. The Cross Country events were hosted by Georgia, and the track events were held at the Georgia Tech Track, site of the 1996 Olympic Trials, in Atlanta. The Georgia men won at all five meetings. The tradition unceremoniously terminated when both programs mutually agreed to expand the competition in their schedule.[39]

Through August 29, 2008, the two women's volleyball teams have played 31 times with Georgia leading the overall series with 21 wins over Georgia Tech's 10. However, Tech holds a 10-1 record since 1999, including a 7-1 mark since GT head coach Bond Shymansky took over the program in 2002. The only Georgia victory in this period came in 2005 in front of a record-breaking Georgia Bulldog crowd.[40] Two of the last three meetings (2006 and 2007) were held in Georgia Tech's O'Keefe Gym, both in front of fire-code-limited 2000 spectators, while the latest match (2008) was held at Georgia with a crowd of 1,604.[41][42][43]

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