Comparisons between the Great Recession and the Great Depression

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Comparisons between the Great Recession and the Great Depression explores the experiences in the United States and the United Kingdom.

On April 17, 2009, head of the IMF Dominique Strauss-Kahn said that there was a chance that certain countries may not implement the proper policies to avoid feedback mechanisms that could eventually turn the recession into a depression. "The free-fall in the global economy may be starting to abate, with a recovery emerging in 2010, but this depends crucially on the right policies being adopted today." The IMF pointed out that unlike the Great Depression, this recession was synchronized by global integration of markets. Such synchronized recessions were explained to last longer than typical economic downturns and have slower recoveries.[1]

The chief economist of the IMF, Dr. Olivier Blanchard, stated that the percentage of workers laid off for long stints has been rising with each downturn for decades but the figures have surged this time. "Long-term unemployment is alarmingly high: in the US, half the unemployed have been out of work for over six months, something we have not seen since the Great Depression." The IMF also stated that a link between rising inequality within Western economies and deflating demand may exist. The last time that the wealth gap reached such skewed extremes was in 1928-1929.[2]

In the United States[edit]

1937 to 1943 depression compared to 2008 to 2013 recession, using percentage gained/lost since 1937 and 2008, respectively
Dow Jones Industrial Average figures for percentage lost in 1937-1943 vs 2008-2011 (based on initial 1937 and 2008 DJIA month end amount, respectively)

Although some casual comparisons between the Great Recession and the Great Depression have been made, there remain large differences between the two events.[3][4][5] The consensus among economists in March 2009 was that a depression was not likely to occur.[6] UCLA Anderson Forecast director Edward Leamer said on March 25, 2009 that there had not been any major predictions at that time which resembled a second Great Depression:

"We've frightened consumers to the point where they imagine there is a good prospect of a Great Depression. That certainly is not in the prospect. No reputable forecaster is producing anything like a Great Depression."[7]

Differences explicitly pointed out between the recession and the Great Depression include the facts that over the 79 years between 1929 and 2008, great changes occurred in economic philosophy and policy,[8] the stock market had not fallen as far as it did in 1932 or 1982, the 10-year price-to-earnings ratio of stocks was not as low as in the '30s or '80s, inflation-adjusted U.S. housing prices in March 2009 were higher than any time since 1890 (including the housing booms of the 1970s and '80s),[9] the recession of the early '30s lasted over three-and-a-half years,[8] and during the 1930s the supply of money (currency plus demand deposits) fell by 25% (where as in 2008 and 2009 the Fed "has taken an ultraloose credit stance").[10] Furthermore, the unemployment rate in 2008 and early 2009 and the rate at which it rose was comparable to most of the recessions occurring after World War II, and was dwarfed by the 25% unemployment rate peak of the Great Depression.[8] However, syndicated columnist and former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Paul Craig Roberts claimed in a 2012 column that if all discouraged workers were included in U.S. unemployment statistics, the actual unemployment rate would be 22%, comparable to rates during the Great Depression.[11]

Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman predicted a series of depressions in his The Return of Depression Economics (1999), based on "failures on the demand side of the economy." On January 5, 2009, he wrote that "preventing depressions isn't that easy after all" and that "the economy is still in free fall."[12] In March 2009, Krugman explained that a major difference in this situation is that the causes of this financial crisis were from the shadow banking system. "The crisis hasn't involved problems with deregulated institutions that took new risks... Instead, it involved risks taken by institutions that were never regulated in the first place."[13]

On February 22, 2009, NYU economics professor Nouriel Roubini said that the crisis was the worst since the Great Depression, and that without cooperation between political parties and foreign countries, and if poor fiscal policy decisions (such as support of zombie banks) are pursued, the situation "could become as bad as the Great Depression."[14] On April 27, 2009, Roubini expressed a more upbeat assessment by noting that "the bottom of the economy [will be seen] toward the beginning or middle of next year."[15]

On April 6, 2009 Vernon L. Smith and Steven Gjerstad offered the hypothesis "that a financial crisis that originates in consumer debt, especially consumer debt concentrated at the low end of the wealth and income distribution, can be transmitted quickly and forcefully into the financial system. It appears that we're witnessing the second great consumer debt crash, the end of a massive consumption binge."[16]

In his final press conference as president, George W. Bush claimed that in September 2008 his chief economic advisors had said that the economic situation could at some point become worse than the Great Depression.[17]

A tent city in Sacramento, California was described as "images, hauntingly reminiscent of the iconic photos of the 1930s and the Great Depression" and "evocative Depression-era images."[18]

The Austrian School of economics view is that the size of a bust is based, at least in part, on the size of the preceding credit boom. A check of debt levels prior and during the Great Depression shows debt levels prior to the Great Depression at about 200% of GDP, with a rise to about 300% due to massive government intervention to combat the Depression.[19] The debt outstanding metric indicates that the Great Recession is not over and will be worse than the Great Depression.[20] Current US debt levels are around 400% of GDP and well over the levels seen either before or during the Great Depression.[21] According to economist Irving Fisher, the two dominant factors in a depression are over-indebtness to start with and deflation soon after.[22] Fed policy to prevent deflation at all costs has been greatly influenced by Fisher's work.[23]

In the United Kingdom[edit]

On 22 August 2008, the Office for National Statistics reported that the economy had reached a standstill, with 0% growth, during the second quarter of that year.[24] On 24 October, statistics for the third quarter of the year showed the first contraction in the national economy for 16 years.[25] With further contraction in the final quarter of 2008, the recession was officially declared on 23 January 2009.[26]

On 10 February 2009, Ed Balls, Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families of the United Kingdom, said that "I think that this is a financial crisis more extreme and more serious than that of the 1930s and we all remember how the politics of that era were shaped by the economy."[27] On 24 January 2009, Edmund Conway, Economics Editor for The Daily Telegraph, had written that "The plight facing Britain is uncannily similar to the 1930s, since prices of many assets – from shares to house prices – are falling at record rates [in Britain], but the value of the debt against which they are held remains unchanged."[28]

References[edit]

  1. ^ Evans, Ambrose (2009-04-16). "IMF warns over parallels to Great Depression". London: Telegraph.co.uk. Retrieved 2010-01-21. 
  2. ^ The Telegraph (UK), 2010 Sept. 14, "IMF Fears 'Social Explosion' From World Jobs Crisis: America and Europe face the worst jobs crisis since the 1930s and risk 'an explosion of social unrest' unless they tread carefully, the International Monetary Fund has warned," http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/8000561/IMF-fears-social-explosion-from-world-jobs-crisis.html
  3. ^ Bagnall, James (2009-03-16). "Not the Great Depression". The Ottawa Citizen. Retrieved 2009-04-10. [dead link]
  4. ^ Collyns, Charles (December 2008). "The Crisis through the Lens of History". Finance and Development 45 (4). 
  5. ^ "Extremist nightmares". The Economist. March 5, 2009. Retrieved 2009-03-12. 
  6. ^ Isidore, Chris (2009-03-25). "The Great Recession". CNN Money. Retrieved 2009-04-10. 
  7. ^ "The difficulty with economic forecasting". Marketplace (American Public Media). 2009-03-25. Retrieved 2009-03-26. 
  8. ^ a b c John Tatom (2 February 2009). The Superlative Recession and economic policies. MPRA Paper No. 13115. 
  9. ^ Bajaj, Vikas (March 14, 2009). "Has the Economy Hit Bottom Yet?". New York Times. Retrieved 2009-03-15. 
  10. ^ Steve H. Hanke (March 16, 2009). "Unconventional Wisdom". Forbes. 
  11. ^ Roberts, Paul Craig (July 8, 2012). "The Collapsing US Economy And The End Of The World". VDARE.com. Retrieved March 4, 2013. "In previous columns I have explained . . . the reasons that the government’s headline numbers are serious understatements. The headline (U3) unemployment rate of 8.2% counts no discouraged workers who have given up on finding a job. The government has a second unemployment rate (U6), seldom reported, which includes short-term discouraged workers. That rate is 15%. When the long-term discouraged workers are added in, the current US unemployment rate is 22%, a number closer to the unemployment rate of the Great Depression than to the unemployment rates of postwar recessions." 
  12. ^ Krugman, Paul (2009-01-05). "Fighting Off Depression". The New York Times. Retrieved 2010-05-07. 
  13. ^ "Not the Great Depression". Ottawacitizen.com. Retrieved 2010-01-21. [dead link]
  14. ^ "Roundtable: Nationalizing the Banks - ABC News". Abcnews.go.com. Retrieved 2010-01-21. 
  15. ^ 'I Am Not Dr. Doom', Washington Post.
  16. ^ Gjerstad, Steven (2009-04-06). "Steven Gjerstad and Vernon Smith Explain Why the Housing Crash Ruined the Financial System but the Dot-com Collapse Did Not - WSJ.com". Online.wsj.com. Retrieved 2010-01-21. 
  17. ^ "George W. Bush Press Conference Transcript, January 12, 2009". Foxnews.com. 2009-01-12. Retrieved 2010-01-21. 
  18. ^ "NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams: News and videos from the evening broadcast NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams: News and videos from the evening broadcast- msnbc.com". MSNBC. Retrieved 2010-01-21. 
  19. ^ "Immediately prior to the Great Depression US debt was about 200% of GDP. It rose briefly to 300% as a result of massive government interventions to combat the Depression.". Americanthinker.com. Retrieved 2012-05-15. 
  20. ^ "We are headed for an event that history will record as worse than the Great Depression. It is unavoidable. The principal reason for the dire prediction is the level of debt outstanding.". Americanthinker.com. Retrieved 2012-05-15. 
  21. ^ "At the beginning of the current downturn, debt was about 370% of GDP. It is about 400% currently". Americanthinker.com. Retrieved 2012-05-15. 
  22. ^ "namely over-indebtness to start with and deflation following soon after." (PDF). Retrieved 2012-05-15. 
  23. ^ Sponsored by (2009-02-12). "Indeed, some say the Fed has learnt Fisher too well". Economist.com. Retrieved 2012-05-15. 
  24. ^ "UK economy comes to a standstill". BBC News. 2008-08-22. 
  25. ^ "Remember the last recession?". BBC News. 2008-10-24. 
  26. ^ "UK in recession as economy slides". BBC News. 2009-01-23. 
  27. ^ "UK | UK Politics | Recession 'worst for 100 years'". BBC News. 2009-02-10. Retrieved 2010-01-21. 
  28. ^ Conway, Edmund (2009-01-23). "Britain on the brink of an economic depression, say experts". London: Telegraph. Retrieved 2010-01-21. 

External links[edit]

  • Barry Eichengreen; Kevin H O’Rourke (2010). What do the new data tell us?. A comparison between today’s global financial crisis to the Great Depression.