Daimler Roadliner

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Daimler Roadliner
Overview
Manufacturer Daimler Company/British Leyland
Body and chassis
Doors 1 or 2 door
Floor type Bus: Low floor
Coach: Step entrance
Powertrain
Engine Daimler (prototypes only)
Cummins V6
Perkins V8
Leyland (AEC) V8-810
Transmission Daimatic/Self-Changing Gears 4-speed epicyclic
Allison Transmission MT41 torque converter
Dimensions
Length 36ft
Chronology

The Daimler Roadliner was a single deck bus or coach chassis built by Daimler between 1962 and 1972. Notoriously unreliable, it topped the 1993 poll by readers of Classic Bus[1] as the worst bus type ever, beating the Guy Wulfrunian into second place. It was very technologically advanced, offering step-free access twenty years before other single deckers; as a coach, it was felt by industry commentators to be in advance of contemporary UK designs.

Background and prototypes[edit]

In 1960 Transport Vehicles (Daimler) Ltd, The Commercial Vehicle subsidiary of Daimler Company Ltd, launched its Fleetline double decker at the Earls Court Commercial Motor show, this was the second British type of rear engined double decker. Its major advantage over the Leyland Atlantean was that its patented concentric-drive gearbox enabled fitment as standard of a dropped-centre rear axle, allowing a body suitable for low bridges of 13 ft 5 in (4.09 m) high to have a centre-gangway seating plan for the full length of both decks. In comparison the low height Atlantean needed an awkward side-gangway abaft upstairs to allow legal internal headroom throughout.

The standard power unit for the Fleetline was the 150 bhp Gardner 6LX which was the most economical diesel engine in its class, and regarded by many engineers as even more reliable than the Leyland O.600. By the end of 1962 125 Fleetlines had been delivered and over 300 were on order. This pleased Daimler's new owner Jaguar Cars Ltd and Jaguar’s MD Sir William Lyons allowed work to start in mid-1962 on a new single decker chassis to replace the underfloor engined Daimler Freeline.

Two chassis, numbers 36000 and 36001 (model SRD6) were constructed to the newly allowed maximum dimensions of 36 ft (11 m) long and 8 ft 2 12 in (2.50 m) wide, they featured an identical drive layout to the Fleetline and shared with it a transverse rear engine location. However, the power unit for these prototypes was a horizontal Daimler CD6 engine fitted with a turbocharger and arranged in the rear nearside corner of the chassis so that all ancillaries could be accessed from the engine's upper face. The radiator was mounted at the front and the chassis had conventional steel leaf springs. Chassis 36000 was shown on the Daimler stand at the 1962 Commercial Motor show and a brochure was produced for the type, although production was not an immediate prospect as the Daimler engine had ceased production. Customer interest in a modern Daimler single decker was however strong enough for Lyons to give the go ahead for a production bus of this type.

Instead of the complex transverse horizontal drive it was decided to use a vertical longitudinal rear-engined layout, Instead of the very low horizontal frame of the first two chassis, this was slightly higher at the front and ramped gently upward and tapered outward toward the rear, where the Cummins VIM V6-200 engine was mounted. This 9.6-litre 90-degree vee-six engine developed 192 bhp at 2600rpm and was compact enough to fit under the rear seat on a bodied bus and allow drive to pass through a conventional Daimler SCG Daimatic four-speed semi-automatic gearbox to a straight spiral-bevel rear axle manufactured by Eaton, an electrically operated two-speed axle being optional. All round air suspension was standard, with rubber and steel leaf options. Although some drawings show a front-mounted radiator, standard production versions had this mounted on the rear offside, as on the Fleetline. Other components such as the front axle, steering, brakes, driving controls etc. were similar to those of the Fleetline. The model was announced as the Roadliner model SRC6-36, this was the third and last Daimler bus chassis to be given a model name as well as an alphanumeric code.

Left hand drive chassis 36004 and Duple Coachbuilders 51 seat coach demonstrator CWK641C on chassis 36005 were shown at the 1964 show together with the first example sold to an operator, 6000EH of Potteries Motor Traction (chassis 36003). The PMT bus had a 50-seat Marshall body to BET style, featuring no steps and a slightly ramped floor up to the rear bench. The floor level was so low side-facing bench seats had to be fitted over both sets of wheelarches, a contemporary reviewer remarked the footstools to the front benches as rather high. This bus entered service in late 1964 as number SN1000 and unprecedentedly the union branch operating it were so impressed they sent a letter of congratulation to Daimler. The coach, and a further Marshall bus CVC124C on chassis 36002 started work from early 1965 as Daimler demonstrators, the coach in particular garnering a great deal of praise on its road tests.

Production[edit]

To begin with it was intended to build the Cummins V6 in the UK in a joint-venture Jaguar-Cummins operation at the former Henry Meadows factory adjacent to Guy Motors in Wolverhampton, but this was not preceded with and all the Cummins V6-200 engines for the UK were imported from Cummins' factory in Columbus, Indiana, USA. As well as powering the majority of Roadliners, the engine was the launch power unit for the Guy Big J lorry (Guy had been a Jaguar subsidiary since 1961) and was also fitted into Atkinson lorries, customers including Pickfords and the UK Ministry of Transport.

The first production Roadliners began to enter service during 1966. Early UK Roadliner customers were corporations in Wolverhampton and Sunderland, independents West Riding Automobile Company, Wakefield, Yorkshire and AA Motors, Ayr. PMT’s first production batch arrived in 1966-7. By the end of production in 1972 a total of 333 Roadliners had been built, besides the UK, examples had gone to Australia, Belgium, Canada, Poland, South Africa, Spain and Switzerland. Plaxton bodied the most vehicles overall and the largest export territory was South Africa, who took the last examples built.

Technical problems[edit]

Engine[edit]

The Cummins V6 had that manufacturer's patented intermediate-pressure fuel pump and governor system, supplying the fuel to open-cup injectors through internal drilled fuel galleries, four-valve cylinder heads and tappet-actuated injection. This made the engine less than suitable for slow speed stop-start work, even at the de-rated bus setting of 150 bhp at 2100 rpm. It was also a noisy unit in operation, said to sound like a contemporary Formula One racing car. Especially on bus work problems developed with damaged tappets, burnt valves, damaged valves, damaged pistons, damaged blocks, clogged injectors, cylinder block failures, smoke emissions and excessive wear as well as roughness and noise in operation, a tendency to refuse to restart when hot, refusal to start in general and endemic overheating, sometimes resulting in radiator caps being blown off and steam and scalding water jetting out behind the bus. Bournemouth Corporation had seventeen engine replacements over eleven buses during the warranty period and PMT (the largest customer with 58 buses and six coaches) had two Cummins engineers permanently resident in Stoke-on-Trent assisting their engineers until 1969.

From 1966 Daimler began to fit an alternative engine from Perkins of Peterborough, England, this was their V8-510 unit, a 90-degree V8 of 8.36 litres with a conventional injection layout and a maximum output of 170 bhp at 2,800 rpm, so fitted the model code was SRP8.

The final batch of Roadliners were fitted with the British Leyland 800-series V8-810, a 13.1 litre AEC-built 90-degree V8, developing 272 bhp at 2,600 revolutions/minute,[2] these were badged as Leylands and type SRL8. This power unit was discontinued soon after the Roadliner because it could not meet noise regulations.

Although these engines worked better than the Cummins, there were still problems with them.

Transmission system[edit]

There were two problems with the Daimatic transmission system; Firstly with excessive wear, as with the Cummins it was working at its design limits for power and torque and but for the effects of altitude it would have been way over its limits on the Pretoria buses.

Secondly drivers newly allocated the type had not driven a vehicle of equivalent power before and most were not trained in the use of the semi-automatic gearbox which lacked the engine-braking effect of a 'solid' transmission. This resulted in many engine losses due to overspeeding, there was no easy way to control this as the pure 'fluid flywheel' form of transmission was used rather than a Leyland SCG-style lock-up clutch. Problems with the braking and transmission fed back on one another and exacerbated engine damage. PMT altered the change-speed control on some of its buses from electrical to pneumatic to slow down gearchanges but at the time and with the transmission system fitted there was no way to install an effective secondary braking system.

Most of the Canadian buses had the optional Allison Transmission torque converter transmission, but the sole survivor now has a Detroit Diesel 6V-71 engine and a Fuller layshaft gearbox.

Chassis[edit]

Handling, braking and tyre problems seemed to be endemic regardless of the suspension system used. The rubber (Metalastic 'Toggle-Link') suspension was of a unique design and difficult and expensive to repair.

Body[edit]

There were problems with wear and tear on the bodywork caused by chassis flexing, the latter exacerbated on dual-door bodies. The optional Clayton Compas automatic heating and ventilation system was both unreliable and very noisy.

The end[edit]

In 1966 Daimler launched a single deck variant of the Fleetline and thereafter marketed the SRP8 as a coach chassis in the UK, the final demonstrator had a Plaxton semi-coach body and was sold to City of Oxford Motor Service to work London Expresses. In 1970 Daimler, now part of British Leyland announced the end of Roadliner production.

Double-deck variants[edit]

The Spanish example was the sole double-deck Roadliner, it was exported in 1967 but not bodied until 1972. Autopullman SA of Madrid had it fitted with a 4 m (13 ft 1 in) high CH38/32F body by Irizar and used it for sightseeing tours.

The Daimler CRC6-36 was a double decker with a modified Roadliner driveline to take 86 seat 11m x 2.5m double deck bodywork with twin staircases, the rearmost rising over the engine opposite an exit door in the rear overhang. One of these was sold to Walsall Corporation and the other sixteen went to Johannesburg. The Walsall bus, shown at Earls Court in 1968 is preserved at Wythall bus museum who also have the last working Cummins-powered Roadliner, a former Wolverhampton bus.

Might have beens[edit]

Manchester Corporation persuaded Leyland to build the Leyland Panther Cub by threatening to order 33-foot (10-metre) Roadliners instead. Daimler announced a 17 ft wheelbase 33-foot option on launch [3] but none were ever built. SRC6-33 would have been the type code.

In 1968 a 12 m (39 ft) version was announced as the SRC-40, but the only batch ordered was later cancelled.

Prior to the BLMC merger Sir William Lyons had commissioned an all-alloy 6.7-litre V8 turbodiesel engine from Rolls-Royce, it was derived from the petrol engine used in the Silver Shadow car, examples were on test by the time British Leyland had been formed, but the project was cancelled on the orders of BLMC chief executive Lord Stokes.

Sources[edit]

  1. ^ classicbusmag.co.uk
  2. ^ British Leyland Motor Corporation. British Leyland Motor Corporation. 1969. p. 146. 
  3. ^ Daimler Of Coventry. Daimler Transport Vehicles Ltd. 1966. p. eleven. 
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