Help talk:CS1 errors

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A bit tired of the overcare CS1 tries to impose[edit]

While it does help to bring more discipline to the dates field, there are many examples where (at least for me) it is a timewaster, the most recent example for me being at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warwick_Thornton#cite_ref-4 Neither the date 8 May, 2008 (nor 08 May, 2008) pass the redline test of CS1 for "archivedate=". Pray tell, whatsup?DadaNeem (talk) 00:22, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

CS1 simply enforces MOS:DATEFORMAT, and neither of your dates meet the allowed formats. The proper date is either May 8, 2008 or 8 May 2008. --  Gadget850 talk 00:28, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
@DadaNeem: Since the article contains the hidden template {{Use dmy dates}}, "8 May 2008" is the proper format. GoingBatty (talk) 00:59, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Chapter ignored error in redlink category[edit]

It appears that Non-innocent ligand has a redlink category Category:CS1 errors: chapter ignored instead of Category:CS1 errors: Chapter ignored. What's the best way to fix this? GoingBatty (talk) 22:16, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

This appears to be because of this edit. So, we can move the category to the new name Category:CS1 errors: chapter ignored or we can change change the module back to Category:CS1 errors: Chapter ignored. It would appear that editor Jonesey95 is correct in that consistency suggests that Category:CS1 errors: chapter ignored is the correct name and that the category should be moved.
Trappist the monk (talk) 22:31, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
I have created the new category. Articles will migrate from the old category to the new category as they are refreshed by the job queue, or whatever it is called. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:41, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

book reviews[edit]

The error is flagged in Metal Ions in Life Sciences against some book reviews. These reviews occur in scientific journals but are not journal articles as such. Therefore they do not carry a title. The cite journal template correctly locates the book review but now gives this error. It did not do so before. I suggest a return to previous practice - don't make the title obligatory. Any response on Talk:Metal Ions in Life Sciences, please. Petergans (talk) 11:21, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Titles are required. For journal citations (and {{citation}} where |journal= is set) like this:
{{cite journal | first = Giuseppe L. | last = Squadrito | journal = J. Am. Chem. Soc. | year = 2007 | volume = 129 | issue = 27 | pages = 8670| doi = 10.1021/ja076902i}}
Squadrito, Giuseppe L. (2007). J. Am. Chem. Soc. 129 (27): 8670. doi:10.1021/ja076902i.  Missing or empty |title= (help)
you can add |title=none which will suppress the error message; if the parameter |url= is set, the citation must have a displayable title. For book reviews and the like that do not rise to the level of 'article' it might be a good idea to at least let readers know what the citation refers to by setting |department=Book Reviews or something similar:
{{cite journal |title=none |department=Book Reviews | first = Giuseppe L. | last = Squadrito | journal = J. Am. Chem. Soc. | year = 2007 | volume = 129 | issue = 27 | pages = 8670| doi = 10.1021/ja076902i}}
Squadrito, Giuseppe L. (2007). Book Reviews. J. Am. Chem. Soc. 129 (27): 8670. doi:10.1021/ja076902i. 
Trappist the monk (talk) 13:04, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

"Check date values" prevents editorial marks in citation date fields[edit]

It is common when a publication is known from a source other than the publication itself to indicate this in citations by using brackets around the date, like so: [17 January 1967]. Using this format in the date field of a citation template, however, generates the Check date values in: |date= error message, unlike "n.d." for when the date is truly unknowable. Is it possible to add an exception for brackets, or is that simply not meant to be used in this citation style? If the latter, is there some guide I can't find for whether to used n.d., or leave the field blank, or...? —KGF0 ( T | C ) 22:43, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm have trouble wrapping my brain around when a publication is known from a source other than the publication itself. What does that mean, exactly? Can you give us an example where this notation is required and also, is there some published style guide that describes it?
Trappist the monk (talk) 23:02, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
I suppose you could use |orig-year=. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:06, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

No title error?[edit]

Could someone more familiar with these issues please take a look at Last Gasp (Inside No. 9)? I am using {{cite episode}} to cite "Inside Inside No. 9", and, though there is a title, an error is coming up. Have I done something wrong, or is this a false positive? Josh Milburn (talk) 11:24, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

It happens when {{Cite episode}} is used without a series parameter:
  • "Inside Inside No. 9".  Missing or empty |title= (help)
Some code or documentation should maybe be changed. Is there ever reason to use {{Cite episode}} without series? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:45, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Correct. In this case, |title= is to |series= in {{cite episode}} as |chapter= is to |title= in {{cite book}}. Citing just a book's chapter doesn't help a reader. Of course, the documentation can almost always be made better. That |title= means different things to different CS1 templates is a problem that we have yet to overcome.
Trappist the monk (talk) 11:57, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
What would you recommend I do? Josh Milburn (talk) 12:01, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Is "Inside Inside No. 9" an episode of the series Inside No. 9 or is it something included on the series 1 DVD? If it isn't an episode of Inside No. 9 then perhaps you should be using {{cite AV media}}.
Trappist the monk (talk) 12:20, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your help- I will do just that. Josh Milburn (talk) 14:10, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Old accessdates do not work[edit]

Prior to this edit (see edit summary text) I saw an error pointing to Help:CS1_errors#bad_date. The date format wasn't obviously incorrect (checked by changing accessdate to date and the text here doesn't say anything about the restriction on the former). It seems intentional that accessdates can't be old (to make readers check if pages still exist "regularly" to then be able to point to an archive? A better way possible?) This should be documented. In case this is some strange error or the system is just made self checking (is it now?) then even better would be disabling the check (and remove the documentation or not add it). comp.arch (talk) 12:46, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Here is the example:
accessdate is supposed to be a date an editor checked that the used content was at the linked source. Wikipedia was launched on January 15, 2001 so that is the oldest allowed access date:
accessdates which are too old should either be mentioned at the linked Help:CS1 errors#bad date or get their own section with a new link in the error message. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:03, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I have added text about access dates to the help text. It reads as follows:
Access dates (in |access-date=) are checked to ensure that they are between 15 January 2001 (the founding date of Wikipedia) and the present, since they represent the date that an editor viewed a web-based source to verify a statement on Wikipedia.
Does that help? – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:07, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you both.. The date did not ring any bells (I've not edited WP that long), it makes sense now. My idea was plausible, but maybe no reason to expire dates.. comp.arch (talk) 14:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. It's probably a rare problem so the new mention in Help:CS1 errors#bad date seems sufficient. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:15, 21 April 2015 (UTC)