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Changing Text Fonts[edit]

It would be helpful to include the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_markup#Format associated with the changing text fonts section. CasualVisitor (talk) 18:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm actually going to remove that bottom section, as per my edit summary, this page is intended to be non-overwhelming (newcomer and technophobe friendly), and just include minimum / core details. Changing the text's main/background color is very very rarely used, especially by newcomers. -- Quiddity (talk) 22:42, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Internal heading?[edit]

What does link internal heading mean? I've never used that. And when I clicked on it, it took me to a big page, not a specific subsection. Biosthmors (talk) 20:17, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

As in, a link to a within-the-same-page subheading.
Eg. You could link to the top section on this current page with either: just #Contested deletion, or the full Wikipedia talk:Cheatsheet#Contested deletion.
I've added a subsubheading at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#Section links, and fixed the cheatsheet link to point there.
The description in the cheatsheet could possibly be improved/clarified though? —Quiddity (talk) 23:22, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Reworded it. Biosthmors (talk) 23:37, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Now do we need "Link to a section (another page)"? Biosthmors (talk) 23:39, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Hmm. Well we definitely want to keep things minimal here, so it might be best to simply replace the #internal sectionlink example with a page#subsection example. I'll stare at it after lunch, or if you see a clear solution, go for it. —Quiddity (talk) 23:56, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I agree. Minimal is best. Biosthmors (talk) 00:12, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Maybe we don't even need to tell people how to link within a page. I don't think that is an important part of editing Wikipedia. I think a high priority of this page should be to keep people quickly reading down the page, all the while saying to themselves, "that sounds easy! i understand that!". tripping people up along the way over unimportant things seems to go against the intent of this page. Also, what is "change the text with a vertical bar: "? Biosthmors (talk) 20:42, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
So I was bold and made a couple edits. Also, I don't mind leaving "Redirect to a section of another page" because I think that is more important to the encyclopedia than linking within a page. Biosthmors (talk) 20:47, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Agreed (and well explained), and good changes. :) —Quiddity (talk) 21:48, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm glad we're working on it. This page gets hundreds of views a day. I wonder what other beginner/instruction pages get lots of views. Biosthmors (talk) 22:06, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Help Project is the place to join/read.
Wikipedia:Help Project/page statistics answers the specific question (mostly thanks to user: The wub, and his recent fellowship, and recent overhaul of Help:Contents). Good stuff going on, all around. :) —Quiddity (talk) 00:31, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Great to know, thanks! Biosthmors (talk) 01:05, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Not smallcaps?[edit]

Instead of the smallcaps template maybe we could use {{cn}} as[citation needed] is more familiar to readers. Biosthmors (talk) 22:03, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Good plan. —Quiddity (talk) 00:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Might not be formatted perfectly, but done. Biosthmors (talk) 01:25, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Uploading images[edit]

Shouldn't we put a link to commons or wiki for uploading images? A feedback comment requested it. I know there wouldn't be anything in the "you type" or "it shows" columns but still. Biosthmors (talk) 08:13, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Some of the other things The wub made, was 3 new tutorials:
All could potentially be added (or used to replace something) here. Have at it, or I will on the other side of sleep. —Quiddity (talk) 09:14, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I know it's not code...[edit]

But maybe we could include a tip that to edit a specific section you just click [edit] to the right of that section. That was a question on feedback too. Biosthmors (talk) 08:19, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I'd weakly object to that, as too much of a "1 of 100 tips that we could potentially include", type of thing. Eg. the opposite problem, that some people only see the [edit] links at the side, and need to be told "how to edit the whole page, and not just a section".
Not sure though. If anyone else agrees with adding it in, then maybe. —Quiddity (talk) 09:08, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah no problem. Probably doesn't belong after all. Biosthmors (talk) 16:29, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Italics, bold and both[edit]

We could do italics, bold and both in one line. Biosthmors (talk) 07:49, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Give it a try - you can always selfrevert if it looks bad immediately, or link a diff on the talkpage, or leave it for a second opinion if it looks passable.
(Don't forget to test it (everything) with a smaller (non-maximized) window, if you have a large monitor. Most of the world still uses <17" monitors. Or laptops etc.) –Quiddity (talk) 21:16, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Good point. I'm not sure how big the monitor is I'm using now! Biosthmors (talk) 21:19, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Open this image (and if your browser auto-shrinks it to fit by default, then zoom to fullsize). Then resize your browser window so that the entire window fits within the desired size. (Or, set the image as your desktop-wallpaper. Use "tiled" to get it aligned properly.)
I try to test pages at 1024x768, as a minimum target. That's what most old 15" monitors used. I'm not sure what the current worldwide stats are like. In the old days (late '90s), 800x600 was the standard minimum that webdesigners tested at. Notebooks/netbooks/tablets, and old monitors used by less-wealthy people, are why we still need to aim small. –Quiddity (talk) 22:30, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Density[edit]

I really like a lot of the changes you've been making recently. I am a little worried about density though (which you probably are too, hence the thread above). It's so hard to meet the balance/needs of all demographics who will be using this page, and to look at it through their eyes (rather than ours, who understand this markup thoroughly). Eg. the 8 examples in the "Link to another page..." section. All are useful and distinct, but it might be too much... Perhaps they need annotation, or just more leading between pairs? Or remove some of the piping variants? Not sure.

The only items I can see that we might want to remove entirely, are the "Strike your talk page comment", and "Hide text in an article" instructions, as those are both rarely used (albeit useful when needed, but then so are many things that we're not including currently). Not sure.

Thoughts? –Quiddity (talk) 21:16, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I understand your concerns. I think I got those ideas from the German and Spanish versions. Biosthmors (talk) 21:18, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
The links look good. I liked the hiding of text and the striking of text though. Biosthmors (talk) 04:37, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
I think it looks pretty good now. =) Biosthmors (talk) 22:49, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Templates[edit]

It says "when one sees something in the middle of {{}}, it's for a template (see below)" but I can't find anything below. Afterbrunel (talk) 16:19, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I added it back. I think it's important to demonstrate templates a bit for newbies. "Learn wikicode" links here. I think it's impossible to learn without at least introducing templates. Biosthmors (talk) 22:32, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Views[edit]

This page recently went up to 3500 page views for three days from around an average of 700. Any ideas to explain the increase? Biosthmors (talk) 22:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Asked here. Went back down after 8 days. Interesting. Biosthmors (talk) 04:08, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

TAFI[edit]

I just linked this page from Template:TAFI because I think that will help people who are interested in editing here. Biosthmors (talk) 23:00, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

I know talk pages aren't for anything but article progress, but after seeing this article (and having learnt everything the hard way),I just wanted to say thankyou to all thoses who worked tirelessly on making this page what it is. It is beautiful in its simplicity and succinctness, and a mighty asset to Wikipedia. :D--Coin945 (talk) 12:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. =) I've played a recent small role, but I was very happy to find this page myself. I was thinking about adding some more cheats to the bottom of the page in a third section for more specialized and less fundamental things. For example, I had a student editor ask me how to use Template:Efn. We could also show {{cite news}} and {{cite journal}} (next to examples of how to type it in manually to make it appear identical). And we could show some cool things like how to link DOI or PMID numbers. These things can be incredibly useful to editors who are adding sources, and I think they should go at the bottom of this cheatsheet. Biosthmors (talk) 19:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
And the tip that to link a category a colon is necessary. Biosthmors (talk) 19:58, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 18:25, 11 February 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Wikipedia:CheatsheetHelp:Cheatsheet – There is currently a lot of overlap and confusion between pages in the Help: and Wikipedia: namespaces. However a general trend is that technical details on how to edit are in Help:, whilst Wikipedia: space tends more towards policies and guidelines. Since this page only covers the technical details of wikimarkup, it would seem more consistent to locate it at Help:Cheatsheet, as with the related pages Help:Wiki markup and Help:Editing. the wub "?!" 13:19, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Rename this page is most definitely a help page, and not a documentation page -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 05:07, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Rename - I agree, WP pages are generally guidelines for conduct and writing, this is a tech page LazyBastardGuy 02:12, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
  • Done - Nabla (talk) 22:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Great resource[edit]

Now I've found it I'll use it a lot. Even after my fairly large number of years and edits. Is there a more modern version of template:welcome that points to it? If not there should be. Andrewa (talk) 22:36, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I would have to agree. As a noob, it is invaluable. Is there a way to link it to the welcome template? We should all get to see this when we first try editing. I hate thinking of names (talk) 14:39, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. But I'm about to be away from the computer so I can't address this at this moment. =) Biosthmors (talk) 15:56, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikitable[edit]

Wanted to get others thoughts on adding a wikitable help section with various formatting. I use a lot of wikitables but have had discover (copy/paste) them myself. If they had a page like this I would have learned so much quicker. Dabullzrule (talk) 05:21, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm not keen on this, since I think the table markup is too complicated for the "cheatsheet". The page you are looking for is Help:Table. One way to find that page is to choose "Help" from the left sidebar, getting you to Help:Contents, and then to type "table" into the "search the help" box at the top right of that page. Another way is to expand the box of "Wikipedia help pages" at the bottom of the cheatsheet and look through the help topics there. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:29, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Excellent! Yes thank you!! Dabullzrule (talk) 16:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested edit[edit]

From reading the feedback for this page, people want to know about image uploading. We should include the following:

images with acceptable licenses can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons
Which is: <div style="padding: 0.7em .5em; font-size:0.9em;">''images with acceptable [[Commons:Licensing|licenses]] can be uploaded to [[Commons:Main Page|Wikimedia Commons]]''</div>


It would be to also say that sometimes fair use images can be uploaded to Wikipedia. But I'm not sure how to put these things it in the section. Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 00:01, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the {{helpme}} tag. You should use {{edit semi protected}} instead, but only once you have reached a consensus to commit your proposed change. -- Patchy1 REF THIS BLP 00:11, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Rather than insert that in the actual cheatsheet, which is rather outside its actual purpose, particularly if we try to explain the complications of fair use and WP:NFCC, I suggest adding to the "See also" list at the bottom:
which is the equivalent beginner's guide. JohnCD (talk) 00:17, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I can agree with JohnCD MGray98 (talk) 00:44, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Naked URLs[edit]

The example REFs shown on the Cheatsheet contradict the Manual of Style. The first example is just wrong; it won't even resolve into anything useful. The second example is a naked URL which is undesirable. Using these as examples of the REF tag on the Cheatsheet is contradictory and steers new editors, who are most likely to rely on the Cheatsheet, in totally the wrong direction. I suggest that:

Hello,<ref>Library of Congress</ref> World.
<ref>http://www.w3.org/</ref>

be modified, at the minimum, to show an example like the following:

Hello,<ref>[http://www.loc.org Library of Congress]</ref> World.
<ref>[http://www.w3.org/ World Wide Web Consortium]</ref>

But perhaps we ought to show a couple more parameters as well, like date and author:

You can also use the Citation Template wizard to produce a full citation like the following:

<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.w3.org/ |title=World Wide Web Consortium |first=John |last=Doe |date=June 2012 |accessdate=16 August 2013}}</ref>

btphelps (talk) (contribs) 06:14, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

@Btphelps: Hmm, I agree that we want to show best practices, but we also want to balance that with non-complicated directions, at least at this level. Additionally, we don't want to imply that only online references are valid (nor that root-urls are good enough). Hence, I'll suggest that we replace the current copy, with something like this:

Hello,<ref>[http://www.loc.gov/about/ Library of Congress]</ref> World.
<ref>''The Story of Philosophy'' by Will Durant (1926)</ref>

What do you (or anyone) think? –Quiddity (talk) 17:19, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
I understand the desire not to overwhelm new editors with a solution that's too technical. So your idea is a step on the right direction. I'd like to suggest a slightly more realistic book example that's hopefully not too complex for new editors:

<ref>''[http://books.google.com/books/about/Guns_of_the_Old_West.html?id=6EMF4l14xbMC Guns of the Old West: An Illustrated History]'' Dean K. Boorman, (2004)</ref>

btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 02:06, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Hee! I'm curious, in what way are you considering The Story of Philosophy to be less "realistic"? (I chose it based on a glance at my bookshelves, looking for something non-fiction, with a short title and short author-name to minimize wordwrap). Ideally we'd use something without any links (internal or external).
I've updated the LoC example for now. –Quiddity (talk) 17:11, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

I wish I had come across this a few months ago. Much of it I already figured out but it still had some information I didn't know, like about Article Redirects. NewJerseyLiz Let's Talk 02:31, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit source / Edit[edit]

For me the two links Edit source / Edit no longer appear. I only get [edit] and I do not use the icon which appears in the corner which is connected to VisualEditor perhaps. Does this mean the Cheatsheet needs updating?--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 07:45, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Well spotted. I've updated {{VE documentation}} slightly. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:47, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the edit but I meant to remove that earlier. I don't think we should be distracting people with that yet. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 14:21, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Adding link to Help:Displaying a formula[edit]

I always have found it difficult to find my way to the math display help page. I think the casual editor would benefit from having a link to it when they arrive here by clicking the Editing help link next to the Save/Show buttons in an edit session.

Okay if I add the following entry to the See also section?

  • For a guide to editing and displaying mathematical equations and formulas, see Displaying a formula

The presence of the words "mathematical", "equations" and "formulas" would be useful when using the search function on the cheatsheet. - DVdm (talk) 10:16, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Per no comment/objection I went ahead - DVdm (talk) 20:46, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Help[edit]

Hi I just what to know how to link my sandbox, thanks ClaraRoper (talk) 12:11, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

A question for the Wikipedia:help desk really, but try User:ClaraRoper/sandbox. - DVdm (talk) 12:41, 14 March 2014 (UTC)