Help talk:IPA for Latin

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The section on the consonental I (aka "j") is wrong. The IPA should be ʝ. See Keller. Quodfui (talk) 17:24, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

And, for that matter, Cicero! Quodfui (talk) 17:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Can someone in the know add the English equivalents please? --MK (talk) 06:17, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Can someone record their voice for this entire thing[edit]

Title. Peace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.40.180.138 (talk) 16:22, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

The bottom three vowels above the nasal vowel line are in English digraphs not IPA.The IPA has changed a lot since I was a little boy(especially in the last year or so)and I'm a bit of a novice at editing the tables, so could some valiant pedant fix this please? [[Logographicboobs (talk) 08:49, 31 March 2012 (UTC)]]

I believe that's the IPA convention we've been using.
The IPA hasn't changed much, but fashions in how to apply it come and go. — kwami (talk) 08:57, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Central /a/[edit]

If this article, Latin_spelling_and_pronunciation#Monophthongs states clearly that the open vowel was central, why Aeusoes1 reverted my edit with this comment, "rv unmotivated change of quality for /a/"? --Mahmudmasri (talk) 06:29, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, I checked similar edits to many of the IPA for X pages. In most instances, the changes really were unmotivated as the related language and phonology pages were either vague on the matter or explicitly contradicted the change. I probably didn't even bother looking at the Latin page because AFAIK nobody knows if the /a/ of Latin was front or central. Their position in an uncited vowel chart doesn't undo my skepticism. — Ƶ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 12:49, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
And, I can assure you, as the person who put that table there in the first place, that the vowel's position in the central column of that table is not due to some special knowledge about the vowels of Latin. — Ƶ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 13:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Capital letters[edit]

Why is everything in capital letters?--2.245.66.112 (talk) 21:17, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Because the preference for these help pages is to write the original language (Latin) examples in the native script, which in this case is the one in which I/J and U/V were identical and there was no lower case. Good question though. SamuelRiv (talk) 15:47, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
"Native script" can't be the real reason. The same isn't done at Help:IPA for Greek, which likewise covers ancient and modern forms; Help:IPA for English is not in the Anglo-Saxon Futhorc; Help:IPA for Tagalog is not in Baybayin; Help:IPA for Sanskrit is in Devanagari... the practice for the other languages isn't to use their "native" or earliest scripts, but the ones commonly used to write them today, so why is Latin an exception? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.254.153.24 (talk) 20:59, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
No idea. It isn't even accurate to say "there was no lower case". Rather, there was no distinction between upper and lower case; inscriptions used forms that look like upper case to us, while handwriting used forms that look more like lower case to us. And that's only for the classical era; Latin was still used in the Middle Ages, by which time there was a distinction between upper and lower case. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 05:11, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

"cui" is [kuj], not [ku.i]?[edit]

No sources at hand, but... could someone re-check this? 83.8.39.224 (talk) 18:56, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I searched through a few books of the Aeneid and found this line (Aeneis II:71). Its scansion indicates that CVI contains a diphthong rather than two short vowels:
CUI NEQU(E) A|PUD DANA|OS US|QUAM LOCU|S, ET SUPE|R IPSI
A line in dactylic hexameter always begins with a long vowel or diphthong; here, therefore, UI must be a diphthong. There are other cases like this where CVI appears at the beginning of a line. There are also cases where CVI occurs in the second half of a foot, and there it could be either two short vowels or a diphthong (making the foot either a dactyl or a spondee), but assuming CVI is always pronounced one way, it must be pronounced with a diphthong. — Eru·tuon 23:08, 11 December 2014 (UTC)