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- 1 Deleting part of the history of a page?
- 2 How to get at an uploaded file's date
- 3 The "undo" field in a history line
- 4 Missing page history
- 5 Navigation
- 6 Link to page version comparison
- 7 Time Zone
- 8 How to get contributions from academia
- 9 Tracking revisions by section or content?
- 10 New screenshot needed
- 11 Deleted images
- 12 Page history of deleted pages
- 13 (top)
- 14 Notes On Stephen Bandera
- 15 Missing pages in article history
- 16 Tools for browsing article histories
- 17 'prev' or 'last'?
- 18 Victory
- 19 Edit history comparison improvement proposal
- 20 Consolidating edit history
- 21 bytes
- 22 Why is my link bad? Need help
- 23 Linking to an article's history page
- 24 External tools: Revision history statistics · Contributors · Revision history search · Number of watchers · Page view statistics
- 25 Needs Updating flag (screenshot w/ red & green info)
- 26 Edit request on 24 April 2013
- 27 Compare versions bug
- 28 intermediate --> intervening
- 29 Création du village de bouanze
- 30 Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2013
- 31 Using a history page
- 32 Access via mobile site
- 33 Broken?
- 34 User reviews
- 35 Page history and copyright
- 36 missing info on revision numbers
- 37 Revision history statistics
Deleting part of the history of a page?
I would like to delete part of the page history of a page in my user area. I plan to subsequently move the page into a regular article (preserving the rest of the history of the page). Can anyone help me? The article is User:Ksheka/Staging, and I would like to delete everything before March 18, 2007. Ksheka 13:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
- You should try WP:Requests for Oversight, but be aware that this action will not be performed lightly. You need a very good reason, such as edits containing personal information, or libelous BLP violations. --Thinboy00 @038, i.e. 23:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
How to get at an uploaded file's date
I'm working with a company designing its own wiki, and we're facing a sticky point ...
We have many internal company documents, and want to get at a doc's latest update, i.e., when was Image:User dino.jpg last updated? When was the annual report last changed? And that data on interest rates ...
Is there a way to "grab" these data & display them? Or just grab them — we'll figure out how to display them.
dino 22:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
The "undo" field in a history line
What is the purpose of the "undo"? How could one undo a revision other than the last? (I dare not click on it, for fear of actually undoing a revision.)
- The "undo" link will not undo edits in one click. See Wikipedia:Undo for how it works. If you click on it, you will see a page similar to the page you get when clicking "edit this page," but with the revision removed. In some cases (e.g. when others have edited the content added by the contribution) it will not work. --Thinboy00 @035, i.e. 23:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be in the article? I came here specifically for information on the undo button, and I found the fact that it was simply absent from the sample picture and the article doesn't even mention it frustrating.Terminal157 (talk) 19:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
- Finally fixed 6 years later. You could have fixed it yourself by adding the info provided above ;) --Espoo (talk) 07:57, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Missing page history
The beer article is missing all of it's before December 13 2001. Does anyone know why this is or know who I should ask about it? Is there any way to retrieve the first few edits to the page? Thank you. Jecowa (talk) 04:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- There are two parameters in a edit version: the datestamp for the edit and the revision number for the creation of a record. I believe the page history datestamps are mostly accurate, but the revision numbers for very old versions of articles are not reliable because old articles and page histories may have been imported between different servers or computer systems as they were upgraded several times, and not have been always imported in a strict chronological sequence, resulting in discrepancies between the datestamp order and the revision number order.
- The earliest version of the "Beer" article in the page history is version #238028, dated 2001-12-13 07:48:00; versions earlier than that were probably lost or deleted. Note that the edit summary of version #238028 was addition of a Kaiser quote, but the rest of the article is still very dependent upon this book, likely its original source.
- Seemingly, page histories follow the order of datestamps, while "previous version" or "next version" diff links follow the order of the revision number. In the case of the "Beer" article, confusion may arise because version #238028 still links to a "previous version" (to #197646 dated 2002-09-05 13:39:00), and so on, up to the lowest-numbered version #5012 dated 2002-02-04 22:41:54; but if you take notice, the whole block of "previous versions" are all dated later, not earlier, than #238028. And conversely, in the lowest numbered version #5012 (likely the first "Beer" revision to be imported into the database), the link to a "previous version" is grayed, even though there are five versions older in date than 2002-02-04 22:41:54.
- (Please someone correct or supplement me if I am wrong. There is no much information written about Wikipedia article revision numbers.) --HYC (talk) 00:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Couldn't we make navigating page histories easier? It's already problematic that it's very difficult to get any feel for what is happening without inspecting each edit closely, but surely we could make it easier to view page histories in large blocks. If a page has more than 500 edits, all you can see is 'next 500'. You don't know if there are 501 or fifty thousand. Can't we at least have a "This page has had received X edits since it was created on X day". Better still, couldn't there be a small 'menu' like option where one could choose from edit blocks to view, e.g. Show the numbers 1 to 7 so the browser can choose a block of 500 to pick from, rather than having to press 'back' 6 times to get to the first 500 edits? Or at least a 'skip to first edit' function, if this is too difficult. Richard001 (talk) 06:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Link to page version comparison
Hello all- I hope this is where to make a suggestion for this help page. I think it would be helpful to add, under the section titled Linking to a specific version of a page, a note informing users that the way to make a wikilink to a version comparison is to make an external-style link using the comparison page's url. Hope I'm making sense. I think it would also be good to put this info somewhere in the help area that deals with wikilinks. I eventually found the guidance under Help:Link#External_links_to_the_same_project, but it took me a while and the method for making such a link is only implied there, as opposed to the instructions being specifically stated. I made this same post on the talk page of the master copy of this help page at meta. Thanks. -Eric talk 19:51, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed. I wanted to flag a vandal edit on someone's talk page, so I found this page, yet the section "Linking to a specific version of a page" doesn't tell me how to link to a specific version of a page in Wikipedia!! Surely there's a better way than hardcoding an external URL like http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carbon_footprint&oldid=331849271 -- Skierpage (talk) 22:24, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
How to get contributions from academia
I do not know if this is the right place to raise this issue so if anyone wants to take this discussion elsewhere, feel free to do so but leave a note here please. Anyway, the issue I want to raise is the following.
In academia, most people publish what they write in traditional journals, books, etc. To be able to get credit for a paper or any other work one would typically need to put a reference to the work in the list of publication submitted when applying for, say, tenure or grant money. What is missing is an easy and credible way of doing this for contributions to Wikipedia. I would therefore suggest that a special link for this was available, perhaps on the history page. The url could have, for example, the following format
which should produce a standard view of the page Genetics but with were user Jimbo_Wales' contributions highlighted in, say, light yellow. This should work on a per character and not per line basis. Authorship should be preserved for moved text which seems to be possible if this is based on algorithms such as User:Cacycle/diff. I guess handling reverts of old deletions may be tricky (preserving authorship of text which becomes reinserted...).
Such urls would be straightforward to include in a publication list. More importantly, such urls would be fairly straightforward to type in by reviewers involved in assessing a tenure or grant applications. Keep in mind that these reviewers can not be expected to be familiar with the inner workings of Wikipedia. The current page history is at the moment just far too cumbersome to use for these purposes.
I guess some of this perhaps will require changes in the underlying Mediawiki software?
I'm aware of the fact that the complete revision history of a page can be exported so maybe some outside tool already exist to do this? Does anyone know?
A related issue is how quality is assessed. To indicate the quality of the contribution made be the particular author, an extension of the above idea could be to include some statistics on the author-highlighted, old-version view of a page showing which percentage of the highlighted text is still present in the current version. I guess e.g. Wikipedia:Good articles and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics/Wikipedia_1.0 are also relevant here.
How much contributions to wikipedia should count in academia compared to other works (peer reviewed research papers) is a different question. I believe this question will not be addressed seriously, however, if people are prohibited from including work on wikipedia in their list of publications for these technical reasons. Looking at some of the high quality wikipedia articles, e.g. Cryptography, I certainly think that the contributions of main authors of such articles should and would be given the same academic weight as contributions to tradional encyclopedias.
Tracking revisions by section or content?
Is it possible using MediaiWiki or an external application connected through the MediaWiki API to track the revision history of a particular section or the appearance of a certain word or phrase in the article. For example, on the "heat pipe" article someone has changed the section on "Origins and research in the United States" and left a comment the talk page as to why he attributes the invention to a different man about 20 years earlier than previously stated (which is correct). However, he has neither properly commented the changes nor signed and dated his talk page entry. I would like to see only changes to the "Origins ..." section and/or date the appearance of the words "Gaugler", "Grover", and "1944" in the article. Are there any good tools for this that would avoid doing manual comparison of each version of the article? Bdentremont (talk) 16:08, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
- Indented line
New screenshot needed
We need a new screenshot illustrating the page history. The image on the page is outdated, last updated in March 2007: just compare the image below with how the same page looks today (January 2009) and see the differences (excepting for a couple of lines that were doctored for the sake of illustration):
These are the statements that are
outdated (2007), with my proposed corrections (Jan 2009):
Explanations of new features (including external tool links) should also be added (and renumbered):
I would have been bold to make these corrections myself, but they would conflict with the current screenshot (perm link), so the screenshot needs to be updated first. --HYC (talk) 10:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Page history of deleted pages
- Doesn't it denote the last edit to the page (i.e. "this version is still on top")? I don't think it appears in page histories, though (since with a history it's obvious what's on top).--Kotniski (talk) 10:43, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Notes On Stephen Bandera
- Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Missing pages in article history
I was browsing the history of the article on Montesquieu and noticed something odd. There are several consecutive edits there which have not content. For example all edits between [this] and [this] one. Some of these blank edits have comments as if there was nothing wrong with the article. Has someone edited these old versions of the article and deleted all the contents? Would be great if anybody could explain. Thanks. MarkkuP (talk) 14:47, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
- Sounds like you might be looking at dummy or null edits: Help:Dummy_edit. Eric talk 15:41, 22 January 2010 (UTC)-
I'm note sure this is the case. What I didn't notice before was that the time between these two edits which I linked above is over two months. Isn't it very unlikely for an article be blank for such a long time? MarkkuP (talk) 21:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Tools for browsing article histories
'prev' or 'last'?
I'm not familiar with the history page of Wikipedia articles, but I do not find a 'prev' button in any history page or in the picture provided in the article to illustrate the usage of history pages.
The following is quoted from this help article:
- To compare a version with its predecessor, click prev.
Should any change be made?
- The picture seems to be out of date - it has "last", but history pages themselves now seem to have "prev". (Don't they - are you seeing something different than I am?)--Kotniski (talk) 13:30, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi I think this is the ship that left Portsmouth Deven (or could be Plymouth which is my 1st port of information) My Great Great Grandparents left on this ship from England to Australia on 4th November 1857 if my source is correct!! Does anyone have any information on this would love to hear more as I am doing my dad's family tree!! Regards Belinda Miles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 09:57, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Edit history comparison improvement proposal
I'm new to contributing to Wikipedia, however I can see after trying to add few links and sentences that one problem happens. I viewed other "history" pages of different articles and see that comparison of newest and earliest versions are not possible to be done. To my understanding, it must be possible to see not only versions which are in nearly one time, but it might be possible to compare any number of pages versions, edited at any time. It this case it would be indeed possible for users to contribute their articles to wikipedia, and would be a way to avoid "article wars" etc. I think so. Otherwise wikipedia seems to be useless in very some future and some better alternative would be introduced. I may be wrong. But this is my understanding. If anyone thinks that comparison of versions should be improved, I would like them to contact wikipedia designers so at least in this new, now still beta-version, these issues be solved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vedicsciences (talk • contribs) 02:06, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Consolidating edit history
I edit pages that are a lot of times in need of many revisions/additions. However, I struggle to do all my revisions in one edit. As a result, I leave the page history full of small edits that when combined are all just the page the way I left it. I think it would be nice and more convenient for people trying to view the history if all of my related edits could be shrunk down into one edit listed. If this can be done, please let me know. If it cannot be done, I think it should be an option and anyone who knows how to suggest it to the people in charge of Wikipedia, I would appreciate if you could do that. --ATPerrin (talk) 03:55, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
It might bear emphasising that the number of bytes, written in parentheses, is to represent the size of a particular version of the article in total. It does not quantify the differences (nor even the commonality) of previous versions (relative to the current revision). This is contrary to the misleading impression one could get by scanning over the heading that "(xxx) = difference from current version ..". To the contrary, "(cur)" refers not to "(xxx bytes)", in fact it does not refer to "cur" in parentheses either; it refers to the "cur" bra (and similarly "prev" is depicted in parantheses when really it is supposed to reference its ket form). I think it would be less misleading if the header used the correct form: for example if it wrote e.g., leftbracket-cur-verticalbar does blah, and I imagine it is only the trickiness of using vertical bar symbols on wikipedia that has prevented this. (Actually, I think "does" really is preferable to "=" since it is supposed to convey an action that can be initiated rather than convey a mathematical equivalence which again would only be applicable if it were instead referring to the number of bytes rather than the hyperlink.) Meanwhile, the "(xxx bytes)" is an obvious ommission of the labelling of the diagram on this help article. Cesiumfrog (talk) 23:27, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- I notice you haven't had any response to your comment. At first, I thought you were having a little laugh at others' expense, but then something tickled my memory, and I eventually realized you have assessed rev hist in terms of Dirac quantum nomenclature: precisely accurate, but typically out-of-reach to the bulk of non-physicist, non-mathematician editors. Your suggestions may well merit a closer look, but I would suggest presenting them in a more suitable venue: maybe at the Village Pump, or the Help Desk, etc. Will attempt to copy you, in case you don't 'watch' this page.
- Ragityman (talk) 12:14, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
trying to put in a link on Himuro manison
Linking to an article's history page
When I try to link to the talk page and history page of an article by cutting and pasting the title from the page and putting double square brackets around it (for example, Talk:Spork and Revision history of Spork), the link to the history page does not work. Should this help page explain how to make such a link? Guy Macon 18:20, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, that method won't work - you have to copy and paste the URL from the browser address bar (and use single square brackets). I'll put in a note mentioning it.--Kotniski (talk) 08:23, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
External tools: Revision history statistics · Contributors · Revision history search · Number of watchers · Page view statistics
Just wondering if there is an explanation of these tools? I admit to not reading the article, but could not find "external tools" in the toc. Thanks in advance Ottawahitech (talk) 16:18, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Needs Updating flag (screenshot w/ red & green info)
The screenshot in the article needs to be updated to show the new green and red parenthetical information, which another editor has thankfully mentioned in the text further below it. please remove the flag when done. Thanks. 5Q5 (talk) 16:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
- I've made a new screenshot, but the descriptions of points 3, 4 and 5 need more work. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:57, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
- The page could do with a separate section explaining the six tools shown in the "External tools" line, but I'm not sure how to re-organise the mixture of tools and advice that currently follow the "Overview". -- John of Reading (talk) 10:37, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 24 April 2013
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- Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Help:Page history. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Compare versions bug
Recurrently I find that "Show changes" or "Compare selected versions" fails to identify previous and current versions of code that is almost unchanged. The most irritating examples are whole paragraphs.
For instance see line 180 or so in the latest versions of our biography Peter Dickinson. In the paragraph that begins "A pair of alternative history novels," I inserted the twelve characters '(1864–1892) ' in order to place this historical fiction in time. The algorithm fails to identify the paragraph before and after that simple change.
- Strangely enough, the added date range does show up in popups. It's not the first time I've seen this discrepancy. If no one knowledgeable replies here, you might post something at WP:VPT. Rivertorch (talk) 18:39, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
- wikEdDiff often gives a better diff. It does in your example. You can enable wikEdDiff at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:27, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
intermediate --> intervening
Hello all- I have an idea for a change to the message that shows when you compare two non-continuous versions of a page. The message that currently displays is:
(## intermediate revision(s) by ## user(s) not shown)
I think intervening might be preferable to intermediate in this message. Here are the AHD definitions for the two words:
- The current message is the MediaWiki default at MediaWiki:Diff-multi. intervening sounds like being in the way or interfering to me and not just being between. I prefer intermediate, and I think we would need a better reason to change a default displayed in all MediaWiki wikis which haven't customized the message. People who are used to intermediate may wonder whether intervening means there is some problem. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:50, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
- I see what you mean, and I'm not passionate about this. Still, I'd hate to think a reference work would avoid using a term merely out of fear that some people's vocabulary might be rusty. Though the interfere sense of intervene might be what we encounter more often these days, that isn't the primary definition given in dictionaries. Eric talk 23:10, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Création du village de bouanze
Bonjour le village de bouanze a été créé par mon arrière grand père fode camara je suis son petit fils de 7 eme génération . Mon grand père à créer dafort et puis bouanze ou il se installe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 11:16, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2013
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22.214.171.124 (talk) 07:40, 28 December 2013 (UTC) The Page state that the Glen Grey Act had the purpose of submitting Xhosa men into slavery. This is highly inflammatory, in the current South African Context. It might be true, but the first reference of the page is not working, so the truth is impossible to verify.
I would therefor request that you either remove the page or, remove the inflammatory reference to slavery .
- Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Help:Page history. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned.
- I suggest you post at Talk:Glen Grey. It's not normal practice to remove content just because the reference is dead; see WP:LINKROT. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:40, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Using a history page
Access via mobile site
I don't see any way to view a page's history on the mobile site, other than directly editing the URL in the browser, a task much rougher on a smartphone than it is on a laptop or desktop machine. Can a link be added to the mobile page display? Short of that, or in addition, some clear explicit mention here of how to get there. --Thnidu (talk) 05:15, 18 June 2014 (UTC) Thnidu (talk) 05:15, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
In the "External tools" line, "Contributors" is missing and "Revision history statistics" is broken (loading... loading... loading... loading... loading... nothing). Am I missing something? – JBarta (talk) 09:25, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- "Contributors" was removed as a redirect to the "Revision history statistics" tool in . "Revision history statistics" is one of the xtools and has been down for two days. See bugzilla:72104. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:11, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- I have added a note that it's down. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:22, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- And is still broken? For a few days earlier in the month, I could see this feature for some articles, but got an error message for other articles. Now I have not found an article where it works -- no message, just no connection. Where is this status information clearly shown, that this feature is down? I will try following some the hints above. Is it expected to return? --Prairieplant (talk) 05:25, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
User reviews differ a lot from what professional critics wrote. I think that should be at least mentioned in the article; no conclusion making ofc. What is the appropriate way to write on that and to refer to pages with ratings, like metacritic and steam? While user scores are not necessary accurate, they reflect the gaming community reaction, provide an alternative point of view and might bring to light some points, that professional critics failed to notice. At the same time user reviews are not considered WP:RS here, so I'm puzzled on the way to mention them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atr577 (talk • contribs) 09:47, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
- @Atr577: You've found your way to the talk page of one of the help pages. Did you mean to post this on the talk page of an article about a computer game? -- John of Reading (talk) 10:36, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Page history and copyright
I have removed reference to Title 17 United States Code § 108 per m:Wikilegal/Copyright Status of Wikipedia Page Histories. It does not apply to Wikipedia. The section in general is redundant and circular. I'm going to try some general copy-editing while there.
As a note, I haven't been able to figure out yet where this originally came from -  shows a substituted template of some kind, but I don't know where yet. For attribution purposes (that text not being public domain), I need to try to find that so it can be attributed. (Irony alert!) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:56, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
- It was substituted from Template:Ph:Page history, one of many similar pages substituted and deleted at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Meta-based Help: content templates. Restoring these pages and linking them for attribution purposes sounds messy. I think few people care about attribution for a help page but most of it in this case originally came from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Page_history&action=history. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:02, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
missing info on revision numbers
When someone uses the undo link, the automatic summary confusingly uses an unexplained, mysterious revision number instead of the time stamp of the reverted edit. This often makes it very hard or impossible to find the reverted edit in the history. This should be changed:
- the revision numbers should be displayed next to each edit
- the automatic undo summaries should at least also display the time stamp or only that
- the automatic summary should include a link showing the difference between the versions
- This page is for discussing the documentation at Help:Page history. The automatic summary is made by MediaWiki:Undo-summary so I have moved the discussion to MediaWiki talk:Undo-summary#Missing info on revision numbers and replied there. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:19, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Revision history statistics
Could someone explain why the Revision history statistics page has changed and how to use the new version? It used to be that I could simply click on the link and be taken to an easy to use page, but now I am taken to a very new page that doesn't actually have any revision statistics. The tab in my browser is titled "X!'s tools". At the top of the page is a row with four options - "X!'s tools", "Log in", "XAgent", and "XEcho". Under that is a second row with even more options, and then under that is a huge list of languages. In the center of the page is a search bar that asks for a page title - it allows you to select which Wiki to search and to check or uncheck a box for following redirects.
I've typed the name of pages that I'm interested in seeing the revision history statistics for into the search bar and then clicked the "Submit" button underneath. But nothing happens. Both before and after I try the search, there's a red bar saying "No revisions found" - this red bar is directly above the search bar.
- I'm seeing this, too. I believe the tool is currently broken - there's a long thread about it at User talk:Cyberpower678/Archive 25#Revision history statistics. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:14, 23 June 2015 (UTC)