Portal talk:Eastern Christianity
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NOTE: For an archive of older discussions from this Talk page, see Archive 1.
- 1 Rebuild the page?
- 2 Re-vamp of this portal
- 3 Christianity Dispute -- Input needed
- 4 November, 2007 Featured content
- 5 Revise the opening statements
- 6 Random portal
- 7 Proposed move Maundy Thursday to Holy Thursday
- 8 Mt. Sinai Christ Pantokrator icon
- 9 Eastern Orthodox Christians by century
- 10 Western-centric?
- 11 Expert help needed
- 12 Christianity portals and possible break-up into separate portals
- 13 Sobor
Rebuild the page?
Is there any interest in redesigning this page using the common format other portals have followed? Chonak 03:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Re-vamp of this portal
I've begun a rather major re-vamp of this portal, given that it's become quite chunky and cumbersome, with columns overlapping, images misaligning, etc. As a first stage, I'm removing all images on the page to a separate 'holding box', so we can sort out the text, links, tools, etc. Then we can go about forming a standard layout and adding back in the images in appropriate places. —Antonios Aigyptostalk 11:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- Update: I've converted the portal to the standardised box style, which has tidied up the look a lot. Have gone with a brown colour scheme, as it goes well with images of icons.
Christianity Dispute -- Input needed
There is currently a dispute on the Christianity page about the use of the terms Nestorian and Jacobite to refer to the Assyrian and the Syrian churches. Please come by the talk page and give some input to the discussion. Pastordavid 17:21, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
November, 2007 Featured content
Featured picture: Church of the Saviour on Spilled Blood, St. Petersburg, Russia
Featured article: Bulgarian Orthodox Church
No one has been here to update anything in 10 months. I can take the time and care to make sure this portal is tended to. I would hope that someone comes by and inputs their ideas for December! I am trying to extend out as much as possible the features so they are fresh and everyone learns something they are not familiar with. Monsieurdl 21:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Revise the opening statements
The opening statements are quite incorrect and misleading. First off: The patriarch of Constantinople has never been the head of eastern Christianity and it is incorrect to label him such. There never was a head (that was a major point of the Great Schism). The Pope of Rome wanted to be the head and the rest of the church disagreed with the very idea of their being a head other than Christ himself. Second: the split in the Church had been developing for a couple of centuries prior to the official date of 1054 AD. Third, the many bishops of the Eastern Churches function independently; they never were “Headed” by the Pope of Rome. Finally I am not sure what is meant by “recognize each other” These 4 families of churches do not in any way recognize the validity of each other let alone the validity of the western churches.--Phiddipus (talk) 16:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Proposed move Maundy Thursday to Holy Thursday
- 6 Apr 2009 – Move requested from Maundy Thursday (talk) to Holy Thursday; see discussion. --Boston (talk) 21:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Mt. Sinai Christ Pantokrator icon
I am a student of iconography and have written this icon from St. Catherine's Monastery. A Protestant friend assures me that she has been told by a Roman Catholic priest that there is a "tear" in the right eye of Christ. I know of the "two faces" theory, Christ being both Man and God, but would like to know if anyone has proposed the idea of a "tear". I want to be as acccurate as possible in my writing.Hara2b (talk) 22:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)hara2b
Eastern Orthodox Christians by century
I have added some "by century" categories, which link to the "Christians by century category". Most of the people for earlier centuries are in subcategories for bishops or martyrs, see Category:Eastern Orthodox Christians by century. There is not much happening in the 15th & 16th centuries. Hugo999 (talk) 05:18, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I might be completely wrong in this regard, and if this is the case then I beg pardon. However, I get the impression that calling all of the Christian traditions "Eastern" that did not spring out of or develop from the Western Church headed by the pope is a bit like refering all of the world east of Germany, Austria, and Italy as "the East." The Eastern Churches have had major theological and cultural differences among them ever since the 1st millenium AD, whereas the Western Church had been more or less unified until the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. As the first paragraph of Eastern Christianity's article concedes, "...the term does not describe any single communion or common religious tradition (indeed some Eastern Churches have more in common historically and theologically with Western Christianity than other Eastern Churches)."
Of particular importance is to note that all of the significant schisms before the Protestant Reformation splintered off eastern churches. It's unclear, then, to me what any of these churches have in common besides being located in Eastern Europe and further east. Surely it can't be cultural either, as I don't think that culturally Eastern Europe as anything more in common with India than Western Europe does.
As an anglophone, Westerner, and former Catholic myself, I understand where the impulse comes from to refer to everything non-Western European as "Eastern," but I must wonder in this matter if this article's subject is more significant as a Western perception rather than as a term that has any real meaning beyond this.
I know that what I'm proposing would require both a major revision to this article, as well as a major restructing of the way Christianity is sub-divided, but I couldn't help but express my opinion.
If I had my way, each major schism would be listed as a major division instead of lumping them all underneath "Eastern Christianity." Either that, or make Eastern Orthodoxy its own portal, and then lump all the relatively small churches under "Churches that are dwindling and that most people don't care about," but of course use a more diplomatic title :p--Scyldscefing (talk) 20:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Use of phrase "merits of Christ and the Saints
I am an eastern rite Orthodox Christian in the OCA jurisdiction. My parish priest and I have had some discussions about the use of the word "merit" to describe the works of Christ and Saints. My opinon and his is that the word merit is not Orthodox language and actually contradicts Justification by Faith as described in the Orthodox Study Bible.
Expert help needed
A few sections in Catholic–Eastern Orthodox theological differences have a seemingly inferior logic that perhaps affects a larger selection of subsections. Those interested who are proficient in theology, philosophy and logic, might give a helping hand by assessing relevant subsections and giving comment at the talk page HERE! Thank you for your attention, and otherwise happy editing! Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 09:10, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Christianity portals and possible break-up into separate portals
I am in the early stages of trying to help get together some work to bring all the Christianity portals up to Featured status. Anyone interested in the selection of articles for portals is certainly encouraged to look at the early information at User:John Carter/Christianity portals and maybe help selected which articles get used in which portals.
In addition, I am wondering whether the rest of you would be interested in perhaps breaking the content of this portal up into separate portals. I think that there is probably enough material for separate portals relating directly to Eastern Orthodoxy, the Church of the East/Assyrian Church of the East, and Eastern Catholicism. I think all the other variations of Eastern Christianity effectively already have their own portals. But I think that there is enough quality material to create separate portals for each of the three groups mentioned above, and having separate portals for each might, maybe, help draw attention to the related content and possibly be more useful to interested readers. Thoughts? John Carter (talk) 23:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Back in September 2010 an IP, who has made no other edits, changed every instance of Sobor to Sabor breaking multiple links in the article. There was no explanation for this change. I've undone it since such a change needs both justification and follow up (to fix broken links).
A brief session with Google suggests, to me, that Sabor is used in the Serbian Orthodox Church, but Sobor in the Russian Orthodox Church. If this is the case maybe someone with more knowledge than myself could discuss this in the article?