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Recommendations to improve page to featured portal status

These below tasks are to improve the portal, hopefully to get it to Featured portal status. For tasks related to improving wikipedia's free software articles, see Portal:Free software/Contribute.

  1. Add images to the portal, but no "fair use" images, they're not allowed on portals (they're only allowed on articles). Suggestions are at #All images removed - advice sought
  2. Replace the "selected articles" box with something that includes selected articles plus news. Suggestions are at #Add "news" and fold in "selected article"
  3. Add references to History of free software - since it's linked to from the portal intro
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Renaming Category[edit]

I feel that "free" is ambiguous, so I would prefer "freely licensed" in the category name instead. Taemyr (talk) 23:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Free is not ambiguous if you look up the definition. Freely licensed however is very ambiguous -- does that mean that the copyright holder can license his project any way he wish? That you, as a licenseholder, may change your license when you want (and to what you want)? Or does it mean that the software in question is free software? These arguments aside, adding yet another term for the same concept which most people don't get anyway won't do any good -- also it is not the task of Wikipedia to add or change definitions in this manner.

Category:Free software projects[edit]

What is a "Free software project" as opposed to, for example, a "Free software organization"? Could someone write a definition, either a brief note on the category page or an article? Thanks, 69.106.242.20 (talk) 01:24, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

An organization is a group of people. A free software organization is a group of people who do something related to free software. They or others may start projects related to free software (being a project that produce free software or something else that relates directly to the freedom of software) -- these projects are then free software projects. The Free Software Foundation is an example of a free software organization -- GNU is an example of a free software project. I would call the Defective By Design campaign a free software project too -- this may be stretching the term, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.167.145.223 (talk) 02:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Portal peer review.[edit]

With a view to identifying areas of weakness for a featured portal candidacy filed in the near future, I've opened a portal peer review thread. Please consider participating. Regards, AGK 13:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Free Software by license?[edit]

Hello. What about creating a "Free Software by license" category? It is as important as "Free software by programming language". Any opinions? (please tell me if this is the wrong place).--OsamaK 17:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't really consider the programming language to be of that much importance -- license is by far the most important thing when it comes to free software. I say go for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.167.145.223 (talk) 02:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Please fix the image[edit]

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85.77.179.98 (talk) 10:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Distribution verses Operating System[edit]

Is it true that ubuntu and fedora are actually distributions not operating systems? DG12 (talk) 19:42, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Linux distributions as far as I know are all operating systems. The term distribution is used mainly to indicate that the Linux kernel on its own is not an operating system (i.e. it is distributed along with other software and is very limited on its own). For a Linux distribution to not be considered an operating system it would have to be lacking many of the other tools that allow users to run applications. | Je mir (talk) 19:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
They're both. A "distribution" is just a collection of software. GNU/Linux is an operating system, but Fedora and Ubuntu distribute much more than just GNU/Linux. They distribute LibreOffice, GIMP, gnupg, Apache... there are good arguments for calling these things "part of the operating system", and there are arguments against. And the answer will be different in 2012 and 2032. (In the 1980s, no one would have considered a web browser to be part of an operating system.)
So, when you have GNU/Linux and a load of useful software that works together, you have a distribution. There's an operating system in there too, but there's never a need to say exactly which parts are "operating system" and which parts are "additional packages". Gronky (talk) 05:17, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Free vs Open Source[edit]

The introduction states, "Open-source is also always free software, though the reverse is not always true," which is incorrect. Accessibility to source code is a necessary condition to be free software (see [1]). Therefore all free software qualifies as open source software. Not all open source software is licensed under terms that allow it to qualify as free software. 69.86.33.221 (talk) 18:31, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Software can meet FSF's criteria and fail OSI's, and software can fail FSF's and meet OSI's. In reality, almost no one writes licences that only meet one set of criteria.
Plus there's the fact that both sets of criteria are interpretable. FSF has shown in the past that "nearly" isn't good enough. OSI kinda follows FSF's judgements (ex: OSI could have declared GPLv3 to be non-open source, if you interpret the drm-cant-block-freedom clause to be discriminatory to a "field of endeavour", but that would just make OSI irrelevant.) That's not a criticism of OSI, it's just a dynamic that makes it even more likely that licences will be accepted by both or neither.
But in the end, software that is one but not the other is in such a minuscule minority that discussing it in an introduction is excessive. Gronky (talk) 05:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Merge from Outline of free software[edit]

The article Outline of free software has the look and feel of a portal, and should be merged into this article: Free software portal. Belorn (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. The merge would make this portal stonger, and have more editors watching it. The merge should be done with a #REDIRECT [[]], so existing wikilinks work.
I moved, with edits, the above paragraph from Talk:Outline of free software as having the discussion on the Merge To page makes it's easier to find, if the merger goes though. Lentower (talk) 17:46, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Conditional agree. I support this merge if the contributors who have made the Outline article also find it a good idea. I.e. if the portal really will gain contributors from the merge, then agree. If it's against the wishes of those contributors, and will frustrate them and drive them away, then it would be counter productive. Gronky (talk) 02:53, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Outlines and portals are orthogonal to one another. See WP:OUTLINE:

    Outlines are also different from portals, as portals are a collection of excerpts about the subject in various formats without seeking to provide a comprehensive overview of the subject area. Outlines seek to be comprehensive overviews to give the reader the broadest understanding possible of the subject.

    Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:39, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Strongly oppose. The article Outline of free software is structured as a typical "outline" list and is a part of the larger Outline of knowledge. 121.45.219.156 (talk) 07:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Android?[edit]

Why not include Android? It is free, open source? Heart reaper (talk) 13:00, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Massive deletion of Free Software pages on Wikipedia[edit]

Hello, I am developer of one of the "minor" Linux distributions. Maybe some of you have noticed that a huge number of distribution's pages were added into consideration for deletion from wikipedia by several admins. Please come to this discussion page and give your opinion before they succeed in what they are up to, whatever their motif is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Leeenux_Linux Spiralciric (talk) 16:26, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Subjects must meet our notability requirements. This requires being noted and reported on in the media. New software will not meet these requirements right away, it will take several years. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, we report what secondary sources say about a subject. If there are no secondary sources, an proper article cannot be written and if created, will be deleted. Yworo (talk) 18:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Icon change[edit]

I suggest changing the icon to Image:Free Software Portal Logo.svg, because many portals have the same icon (computer), so it should be changed to already used as a FOSS portal icon, but it's my opinion. --Rezonansowy (talk) 21:51, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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There is a "Free Software Portal", not a "Free Open Source Software Portal", this logo is not relevant to free software, so I suggest using this one like on wp.fr. genium ⟨✉⟩ 15:46, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Portal:Freeware redirects here[edit]

Portal:Freeware redirects here, which caused confusion on at least the Dwarf Fortress page, where it was later replaced with a direct link to Portal:Free Software.

Even without that replacement, the redirection suggests that freeware and Free Software are the same thing.

174.7.214.214 (talk) 15:48, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

The edit links[edit]

The edit links aren't working. Currently the "box" template is passed the box title and the box content. It doesn't know the name of the subpage. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:31, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Fixed --Rezonansowy (talk • contribs) 12:35, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Laravel[edit]

Ok, I know back then in late 2012 it maybe wasn't notable. But NOW it is, don't you all agree? More than 6k "stars", almost 2k forks on github... Laravel 4 is reinventing PHP web app development. A quick search on google shows big and respectable blogs talking about it. Leonelsr (talk) 14:06, 13 October 2013 (UTC)