Roman Havasi: The Rom of Turkey have both slow and fast 9/8 dances. The fast 9/8 is similar to*Karsilama which is a fast tempo 9/8 meter folkdance of the Turks and Greeks. The Turkish Roma have their own style of fast 9/8. Slow 9/8 is called "Agir Roman" (heavy Gypsy). Agir Roman is related to the Zebek of the Turks or Zebekiko of the Greeks, but it is a distinct dance of the Roma. The Romani dances of Turkey and Asia Minor are characterized by "belly throwing" a particular movement of the pelvis - normally on beats 1-3-5-7-8 (in a 9/8 meter). The men's version uses footwork more extensively than the women's version. The woman's version of Roman Havasi often uses hand gestures which might mimic playing various instruments such as clarinet or darbuka, washing clothing, or other daily activities. Some of the gestures are non-sensical. Gestures usually fall on beats 1 & 3 or 1 & 5 of a 9/8. The Roman 9/8 dances are different than pure Turkish Karsilama or Zebek (Greek Zebekiko) although the tempo and movements are similar - the Romani have their own distinct dances.