Talk:2nd millennium

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notable persons table

I deleted a lot of people from the significant persons list. Like most lists this one was very heavily weighted in the more recent past, and very heavily weighted in western civilizations. I think the purpose of this page is to give a reader a broad overall view of the millennium while pointing them toward more specific things. To that end, I created a table that will help both readers and editors create a more balanced view of the millennium. I recommend limiting additions to ten persons per century and three persons per continent, but those are just guidelines subject to continually adjustment. I would also remind editors that longer lists can be added to the century pages. I’m working on a similar organization for the list of inventions, but I'm having trouble whittling down the subject areas. Geography doesn't seem like the right way to organize it, but there are too many subtopics at present. -ErinHowarth (talk) 01:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Furthermore, many of the references are about one author's personal opinions on who was how influential. I think Wikipedia deserves better than that. IMO one should either delete all those references to Hart's questionable list, or create Wikipedia articles for alternative lists (some of them listed below), and add links from significant persons to those alternative lists, too. Otherwise the Wikipedia information on the 2nd millennium BC will reflect inappropriate bias towards one guy's personal opinions. Gimmemoretime (talk) 16:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

A top 10 list at http://www.faqs.org/shareranks/1338,Most-Influential-People-of-All-Time : 1 Manu (Shanker Mishra), 2 Einstein, 3 Socrates, 4 Aristotle, 5 Plato, 6 Newton, 7 Lao Tzu, 8 Moses, 9 Darwin, 10 Franklin.

A Japanese top 10 list http://www.japanprobe.com/2007/04/01/historys-100-most-influencial-people-hero-edition-video/ : 1 Sakamoto Ryoma, 2 Napoleon I, 3 Oda Nobunaga, 4 Saigo Takamori, 5 Miyamoto no Yoshitsune, 6 Jean of Arc, 7 Hideyoshi Toyotomi, 8 Albert Einstein, 9 Yutaka Ozaki, 10 Akechi Mitsuhide.

A top 7 list http://www.rateitall.com/t-1283-most-influential-people-in-world-history.aspx : 1 Jesus Christ, 2 Muhammad, 3 Adolf Hitler, 4 Ronald Reagan, 5 Albert Einstein, 6 Buddha, 7 Johann Gutenberg.

LIFE magazine's top 10 list http://www.smccd.edu/accounts/goth/MainPages/100_most_important_people.pdf : 1 Edison, 2 Columbus, 3 Luther, 4 Galileo, 5 Leonardo, 6 Newton, 7 Magellan, 8 Pasteur, 9 Darwin, 10 Jefferson.

Several lists are topped by Gutenberg, e.g.: http://www.falls.igs.net/~dphillips/biography3.htm

Another top 10 list http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=173626 : 1 Mohammed, 2 Aristotle, 3 Tsai Lun, 4 Johann Gutenberg, 5 Jesus of Nazareth, 6 Paul of Tarsus, 7 Shih Huang Ti, 8 Louis Pasteur, 9 Plato, 10 Siddhartha Guatama.

Yet another list found on the web: 1 Mitochondria Eve, 2 Jesus, 3 Mohammed, 4 Columbus, 5 Confucius, 6 Darwin, 7 Sun Yat-sen, 8 Karl Marx, 9 Buddha, 10 Rousseau.

Some of the numerous additional lists of this kind:

http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/most-influential-person-of-all-time.asp

http://www.worldtop.org/Culture/People/Most+influential+people+ever/

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_are_the_25_most_important_people_in_history

http://www.historum.com/showthread.php?t=2971

Gimmemoretime (talk) 16:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Is Queen Victoria not a significant person from the 19th century, a large chunk of it is called the Victorian age in quite a lot of places. 86.182.156.86 (talk) 23:34, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Like its 1999

It is commonly believed that the Second Millennium ended in 1999. There were many celebrations at the end of 1999 to welcome in the New Millennium, but the Julian calendar does not work that way. The Second Millennium actually ended in 2000. I will try to explain why. The First Millennium started in the Year 1, in order to 1000 years long, It ended in the Year 1000 (not 999). Likewise, the Second Millennium started in the Year 1001. In order to be 1000 years long, it ends in the 2000, not 1999. -User:ErinHowarth|ErinHowarth (User talk:ErinHowarth|talk) 02:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

The people who were celebrating were wrong.--Jojhutton (talk) 20:04, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

The decimal system works on 0-9. No Year 1 has been recorded. 24 Hour clock starts at 0. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.198.255.3 (talk) 16:12, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

¿Que? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:34, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

I will repeat what I have been saying about all of the other millennium and century articles on wikipedia: Just because there was no year 0 according to the Gregorian Calendar doesn't make 1000 a part of the 1st millennium, nor 2000 a part of the 2nd millennium. Look at the numbers in front. We really need to change these century and millennium articles to reflect the fact that they do begin with a year 0. That is just fact, and I have talked to administrators of wikipedia who agree. Bjoh249 (talk) 12:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Please name one of these administrators. However, even if you were correct, consensus at the relevant WikiProjects is clearly against you, and this being a change which would affect multiple articles, WikiProject consensus is more relevant than consensus at any individual article (which is also running against you). — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:39, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Not inventions

I've removed the following items from the inventions and discoveries table. Strikethrough text indicates items that have been worked into other sections.
Society

• Middle English Bible translations (1380) added 12/10/08
• Timeline of Christian missions|Christian missions (to Americas, Africa, East Indies etc.)
• Atlantic slave trade (16th, 17th,18th &19th centuries) added 12/09/08
• Capitalism (1776) added 12/09/08
• Socialism (1848) added 12/09/08
• Universal suffrage (c. 1910)
• History of Parliamentarism (1707)
• European colonization of the Americas (1492) added 12/09/08

-ErinHowarth (talk) 05:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

The title of the section is "Inventions, discoveries, introductions", i.e. the section is not only meant for inventions, but also for something new introduced. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 19:14, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Granted. Maybe what I was trying to do is limit this section to more tangible items. Bibles are a tangible items, but the slave trade, suffrage and parliamentarism seemed to me more like events to me, but that's just me. -ErinHowarth (talk) 01:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Israel Kamakawiwo'ole

I love Israel. I really do. However, does he really deserve inclusion on this list? 68.80.37.35 (talk) 03:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe not. I created the table and structured it in order to even-out the scope of the list. I divided the world into five regions (based on the Olympic flag). This approach may be fundamentally flawed, but the previous list was sooo long as to render the reader (me) completely overwhelmed, and it was horrifically western-centric, with more than 90% of the names coming from Europe or America. At the same time, I'm no expert on the Pacific Islands, and as far as I know, there may be more than a dozen peple more influencial than Israel from the area of Oceania. Please feel free to make whatever edits you like. I would prefer to see Israel pushed off the list rather than simply deleted from the list, that is, I would rather see his name replaced with the names of more influencial people rather than just have him removed with no additions made. -ErinHowarth (talk) 18:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

>>That makes sense. He is of course one of the most important and/or influential people of the millennium. This is sarcasm. The list should not be culture or region centric, but it should also have valid entries (even if better entries are few). And the list needs to be filtered more for the 20th Century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.71.58 (talk) 04:01, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Just a quick note

I edited the first paragraph to fix several typos.

Bach

'1722 - Bach divided the scale into 12 equal semitones'.

Bach did not 'divide' the musical scale into 12 equal semitones, he wrote 24 pieces emphasising the benefits of this. It had been realised previously, with similar collections of pieces already published. Whilst Bach's was by far the most influential; it is erroneous to state that he divided the scale. 86.132.132.186 (talk) 19:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

1535 - Europeans discover tobacco

The article has the European discovery of tobacco occurring in 1535. This cited properly and taken from a Life Magazine article, which the article relies on for many of it's events (50+ links to this citation). This conflicts with the information in the History of tobacco article however, see especially this section and this one. I will try and look into this more closely this week, but for now I am gonna slap a dubious tag on it pointing here. Winston365 (talk) 07:47, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Dead link

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--JeffGBot (talk) 06:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)