Talk:AK-47

Removed File:Albanian soldier with AK47.jpg

user:Albaniantrojan has requested this photo be removed, as the person pictured has recently died. The photo is not necessary to the article, and is easily replaced (I would argue that no photo is needed in that section, but I digress). To user:Barek and User:Daniel J. Leivick: please read wikipedia:vandalism, and refrain from calling edits vandalism that are not. Buddy431 (talk) 18:04, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

User:Albaniantrojan replaced the image with an animated gif (now deleted) of a hand giving the middle finger. Regardless of his reasoning this is vandalism. --Daniel 18:43, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I've already replied on my user talk page - essentially restating what Daniel stated above that the overall pattern of behavior was clearly vandalism. In addition, please be aware that Wikipedia is not censored - so the reason given for removal is not a factor. That said, the newly substituted image is a reasonable replacement - and arguably a better image of the rifle itself being utilized, so I have no issues with the new image being used. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:03, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

The overall pattern was not clearly vandalism - it was clearly a new editor who was frustrated with his changes being continuously reverted. The one edit with the offensive image was vandalism, and I apologize for calling out the reverters' characterizations of it as such. Buddy431 (talk) 19:26, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Avtomat Fedorov

The MP44 is mentioned at least a couple of times in the article but the earlier Russian Avtomat Fedorov doesn't recieve a mention. I wonder how much this plays a role in the Ak's development, since Fedorov himself ended up in charge of Soviet small arms design. The Mp-44 saw much more widespread use but the Fedorov predates it by a couple of decades and was used consistently almost until the point the Ak was introduced.--Senor Freebie (talk) 09:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Not an accurate weapon

I think the horrible inaccuracy of the AK-47 should be elaborated upon. The article mentions loose tolerances, but the main reason the AK-47 was inaccurate was that the bolt was off-center so that every time you fired the rifle the barrel would wobble. The weapon was designed as a "spray and shoot" weapon; as a sniper rifle it would be worthless. Anybody an expert on this aspect of the AK-47 out there that could elaborate on this? Why was the bolt designed off-center? I should point out that while the USA sustained 58,000 soldiers dead in the Vietnam War, there were 1.1 million North Vietnamese that were killed. Accuracy counts, (airpower aside). 63.192.100.101 (talk) 12:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

In what sense off-centre? The modifications in the AKM series, particularly the muzzle modifaction, suggest that inaccuracy problems were caused by the weapon kicking upwards. I have to admit I've never fired one, but have stripped and reassembled a Type 3 and an AKM and didn't notice the feature you mention. Slightlymuddy (talk) 13:19, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Numbers of AKs

The previous citation for AK numbers from a World Bank report itself cited the Small Arms Survey Report I have now added as a reference. However it is interesting that the SAS themselves cite no authoritative source for their assertion ;-). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slightlymuddy (talk • contribs) 17:58, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Binksternet - I don't understand why you keep reinserting the sentence about the World Bank into the Illicit trade section. As the above points out, the report you are citing refers to the Small Arms Survey Annual Report of 2004 as its source, so including it is redundant. Slightlymuddy (talk) 13:10, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I see now. Binksternet (talk) 03:11, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Why is the Title AK-47??

The Russian army never used this designation. The correct title should be "AK" without any number.

Google translate the Russian Wikipedia, they mention on the beginning that "AK-47" is incorrect. (the only gun that can properly be called AK-47 is the prototype which is slightly different from the gun adopted in 1949)

Shouldn't the English Wikipedia specify that although widely used "AK-47" is not correct?

Also the part on how the gun was designed contains some errors and is not complete.

An example: The AK-1 and AK-2 are two variants of the same prototype (AK-46) the first one using a milled and the second one a stamped receiver.

Also, Zaytsev managed to convince Kalashnikov to radically change the design because it almost didn't make it to the second round of the competition.

Unlike what the article mentions the gun performed worse than its competitors. (Who would throw to trash a winning design anyway?)

The AK-47 is the prototype that was created after that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.128.146.75 (talk) 17:07, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

AK-47 is the commonly used name in English. Per WP:COMMONNAME, we use that name even though it is not official. Binksternet (talk) 17:11, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Commonly used by idiots. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.195.86.245 (talk) 16:24, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

This ha been discussed before(Talk:AK-47/Archive_6#Add_an_information_about_REAL_name_of_this_weapon) and calling people who use the term "AK-47" to refer to the weapon, as "idiots" is not helping your case.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)