Talk:Adjectival phrase
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Removed: Slowly becoming aware of the poop running out of the corner of his mouth Hayden opened his eyes and stared at the all the poop and sperm splashed across the ceiling. Stretching his poop in all four directions he squeezed out the poop from them while his office chair pooped in protest, voicing the stiffness in his poop. Shifting his poop to lean the chair forward and sit up straight again, he rubbed his dick and tried to focus on the porno magazine whilst he was sucking a boob. This may have adjectival phrases in it, but it's not a good way of describing what they are. -- April Also, it looks like it might be copyrighted, like from the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest or something. --LDC Do adj. phrases necesarily need to start with an adj? (struggling to think of an example)... -- Tarquin Adjectival phrases, more properly adjective phrases are prepositional phrases that modifies a noun or pronoun. In "tightness of sleep", the "of sleep" is an adjective phrase. I think it's the only one in the passage. The other kinds are participial phrases, gerund phrases, infinitive phrases and apposite phrases, according to the first grammar book at hand.Ortolan88 Every sentence in this example begins with a gerund phrase, but they're all adverbial rather than adjectival. --LDC modifies nouns, and adjectives.. |
[edit] Requested move
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
"Adjective phrase" is more common on Google Web Search, Google Book Search, and Google Scholar, and nearly always has the same sense; "adjectival phrase" is less common, and often refers to any phrase that modifies a noun (including a noun-modifying prepositional phrase). —RuakhTALK 02:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe this is a British/American language issue? I'm from the UK, and have only ever heard "adjectival phrase," not "adjective phrase." Mtford 14:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- "Adjective phrase" does appear to be more widely used, but not by that much, so I weak support it. Other articles with the word adjectival: List of adjectival forms of place names and Predicative (adjectival or nominal), though I don't think these need renaming as they sound better (not a good reason, but I think either works). –Pomte 07:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Not only is there only weak support, but if this is a British-American difference, then it should not be changed. --Stemonitis 07:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Conflict
The article is in conflict with itself. At its current state, it is confusing. --114.241.30.19 (talk) 03:03, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. More than that, much of it is flat wrong. That includes all the example sentences, none of which contain adjective phrases or manage to demonstrate what adjective phrases are. "without a friend" is a prepositional phrase, "kind" is an adjective in a noun phrase, and "of kindly nature" is another prepositional phrase. --Gastogh (talk) 17:54, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
- I've seen two definitions of "adjectival phrase". One is any phrase that modifies a noun, whether attributively or predicatively. Such phrases may be prepositional phrases. For example, in an on-again-off-again relationship, on again off again is an adjectival phrase. The OED quotes sources giving beat-up as an adjectival phrase, as well as in grain, of (great, little, any) moment, in mourning,
- But they say that out of X is only an adjective phrase when used attributively, as in a curious out-of-the-way place, not when used predicatively as in the place lies rather out of the way. If that's true (and it would seem to conflict with their identification of of great moment as being an adj. phrase, since some of their examples are predicative), then "adjective phrase" in this sense is merely an attributive phrase, and IMO this article should be moved to that name.
- The other definition I've seen is a phrase where the part of speech of the head is adjective. For example, much quicker than I was and fond of animals.
- I have no idea how valid or widespread these competing definitions are. The first does seem to be related to the "simplification" that calls all attributive noun modifiers "adjectives". — kwami (talk) 22:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
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- Quirk et al., A Comprehensive Grammar of English Language, which is IMHO the greatest authority on (morpho)syntactical theory, defines the adjective phrase as a phrase which has an adjective as headword. The adj. phrase can consist of only the head, but it can also have a modifier (= an adverb, usually before the head - "very pretty") and/or a complement (= prepositional phrase or V-ing clauses or that-clauses - "happy about the news", "happy that you came" etc.) Dejanm83 (talk) 09:59, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
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- Is there any way the two uses can be distinguished as phrasal adjective vs adjectival phrase, or are those synonymous?
- Looks like we should cover both. Or all three, I guess.
- For more precise wording, I suppose the other two would be 'phrasal modifier' & 'phrasal attributive'. — kwami (talk) 12:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
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