Talk:Ali

about Hazrat Ali a.s according to nahajul balaga

when Hazrat Ali a.s accepted islam that what was his age? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.182.60.235 (talk) 08:24, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

According to most accepted Islamic view for accepting Islamic one should be in the age of puberty/Wise enough/ Mature in thinking etc...The tradition that we came is 5 years old which is proved by Ali's own words that I was not 20 when I stood in the Battle of Badr.Ashurnasirpal 02:55, 7 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aparytai (talk • contribs)

You don't have to be of a certain age to accept Islam. Xareen (talk) 15:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Very Biased Material

This page has very biased material. Most of the information is told from the standpoint of the Sunnis. It would be better to allow the story be told by both shias and sunnis. For example there can be a story about the burning of Lady Fatima's home by sunnis, and then another section can be the same story except the shia perspective. Therefore both sides win. Also, please allow those who more closely know Imam Ali to better explain who he was. Alot of the actual history is censored or neglected in this article. This page is supposed to be about Imam Ali, however much of the information is focused on Abu Bakr and the other Caliphs and on how to make them appear as high and honorable people. Please reserve those comments only for the pages about Abu Bakr and the other Caliphs. This page should be about Imam Ali and only Imam Ali. I also would like to request that the people writing the page to speak of Imam Ali with respect. It is very disrespectful to just plainly call him Ali. It is preferred that he is called by his revered name Amir Al momineen Imam Ali ibne Abi Talib (as) or at least Imam Ali (as).

Okay, as I suspected, you're not coming at the page from the right perspective; I'm going to start at the end of your post, because that points out the key problem. Wikipedia does not follow the requirements of various religions to "respect" the subjects it writes about. We don't act disrespectfully, but we also don't use honorifics in our articles. Similarly, editing of articles is not limited to those "close" to the subject; all that matters is that we follow what reliable sources say. As such, if you have reliable sources that you know of that are not currently included, feel free to extract information from them, add it to the article, and provide sources. However, you can't just remove a lot of reliably sourced information because you don't like it. You are correct that this article should tell both the Sunni and Shia perspective. I don't know why you think this article is from a Sunni perspective--I see all sorts of phrases that say things like "According to Shia manuscripts" and "Shia consider him..."

At this point, the next best step is for you to point out specifically the things in the article that you think need to be removed. I recommend not listing them all at the same time--instead, lets go through part by part and try to figure out if there are problems. I'm sure that the article can be improved; but massive removal of sourced text is generally not the way to do that. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:03, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm Shia and I have improved the article and reviewed it many times. I think it is not biased towards Shia or Sunni viewpoints. I tried to follow authentic historical records based on WP:MOS. In the cases which you want to add to the article such as the burning of Lady Fatima's home, I could not find a verifiable source. Thus, I moved them to this page and you can try yourself in these cases. Talk:Ali#Verifiable information for succession section.--Seyyed(t-c) 14:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Regardless of whether you are shia or not, it does not make any of the points in the article anymore valid or invalid. The reason why I removed the "sourced" material is because whether it was sourced or not doesnt justify it to be accurate information. And the sources that the article claims to be supported by is mostly from sunni roots that both sects do not agree with, or weak roots. Whatever perspective you approach this page by, you will see imam ali is introduced as someone with selfish desires toward the high political positions, which is the total opposite of who imam ali was. This is why many people become angered when they come upon certain points in this page. The actual imam ali is not even close to how this page portrays him as. On the topic of the burning of lady fatima's home, that entire story is completely inaccurate in this page and is told in a manner that ridicules lady fatima and imam ali and completely twists the truth. Lady fatima was a very pious lady. She was the daughter of the prophet of islam. She is the role model for all muslim women. She was infallible, pure and clean from all sin as the Quran declares "And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey God and His Messenger. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a [thorough] purifying." --Quran 33:33. It is illogical to then deliberately state that she would threaten to remove her veil in front of the alleged 40 men to be standing there? This statement is completely illogical and very offensive and attacking to lady fatima's pure and highly dignified character. This is the reason for the removal of that offensive sentence. You may reference the verse in the Quran for proof of that.

Then this page completely ignores the fact that immediately after this event, lady fatima lost her son mohsen who she was pregnant with and then 3 days after this event lady fatima died of severe injuries from the beatings she received from certain companions during this event (ibne sa'ad, al-tabaqat al kubra, vol. 2, 85). Lady fatima was 18 years and 7 months old when she died. During the 3 days, she suffered from extreme pain. She was beaten so badly behind the door, they broke 3 of her ribs, her hip, a nail from the door pierced her heart and they also caused her to miscarry her son, muhsen. During the 3 days she was very upset with the companions who did this to her, she requested to be buried in the night because she didn't want those companions to be present at her burial. When lady fatima died, imam ali buried her in the middle of the night with just a few sincere companions (sahih bukhari, vol 5, 177). At this time, imam ali also visited the prophet of islam's grave, here he began to complain about the sufferings he and lady fatima endured during the past few days:

"O’ Prophet of Allah, peace be upon you from me and from your daughter who has come to you and who has hastened to meet you. O’ Prophet of Allah, my patience about your chosen (daughter) has been exhausted, and my power of endurance has weakened, except that I have ground for consolation in having endured the great hardship and heart-rending event of your separation. I laid you down in your grave when your last breath had passed (when your head was) between my neck and chest.

... Verily we are Allah’s and verily unto Him shall we return. (Qur’an 2:156) Now. the trust has been returned and what had been given has been taken back. As to my grief, it knows no bounds, and as to my nights. they will remain sleepless till Allah chooses for me the house in which you are now residing. Certainly, your daughter would apprise you of the joining together of your (1) ummah (people) for oppressing her. You ask her in detail and get all the news about the position. This has happened when a long time had not elapsed and your remembrance had not disappeared. My salam (salutation) be on you both, the salam of a grief stricken not a disgusted or hateful person; for if I go away it is not because I am weary (of you), and if I stay it is not due to lack of belief in what Allah has promised the endurers."

-Najul Balagha Sermon 201.

To the end of her life, lady fatima was very angry at those alleged companions. You must be careful because many people try to dust over the truth to save face for their religious leaders. In the sunni community omar is referred to as a respectful person, and because of their love for him, many sunnis refuse to admit this event even occurred. Like I said many people like to dust up the truth. This page needs to be revised, many muslims that come across this page, regard this page as unreliable material because some of the truth is either hidden or twisted. Not all of the truth is neglected in this page, though to give it more credibility, we must make sure it has accurate material. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldstone2222 (talk • contribs) 10:46, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

So....this page is not the place to have religious arguments. Goldstone2222, you appear, as far as I can tell, to be referring directly to primary religious sources (hadith)--is this correct? If so, you need to alter your thinking in how to proceed. What we actually need are secondary sources--i.e., information written by scholars who have commented one way or the other. Ideal for this situation would be those who have examined multiple sides of the situation, made critical commentary, etc. As a general rule, hadith are not considered to be reliable sources on Wikipedia for anything other than exactly what they say. That is, we can say, "According to X hadith, Y happened." However, we cannot say "Y happened.<+ref Hadith X>". We want that first sentence, along with some commentary by secondary sources about the meaning of the hadith, how well accepted it is, etc. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:01, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

This is not a religious debate or argument but proof of history, according to Sunni scholars, you cannot get any more accurate then the sahihs and the quran. If you would like commentary I will provide you with commentary. Your requests of me are unreasonable, secondary sources will be biased, I cannot give you unbiased material based off of biased information. The primary source is what you need to be seeking in order to obtain objective historical documentaries. Secondary sources will just be taking the history and incorporating their own biased into it. That's where I see your problem is here, this page is filled with biased and inaccurate material and it is all because you rely solely on biased sources, you are losing credibility. If you would like to have an accurate account of history your heading the wrong direction. I have provided you with historical information. May I ask you where you get your authority to be as a judge between historical material regaurding Imam ali? You need to understand that some information in this page is wrong. It completely takes away the credibility from the entire page. and you must correct that information because it makes the whole page unreliable, most Muslim scholars who have vast knowledge about Islamic history and have studied their entire lives would ridicule many points in this page. They must be changed.

Plus I wrote the Surah from the quran to prove to you the point about lady fatima and her being pure and why it is impractical for her to ever say she would remove her scarf in front of men. Just like the format you were requesting me to write it in. because of surah X, Y happened. Also I wrote the entire sermon 201 where imam ali is speaking at the grave of prophet mohammad (sawas) after he buried lady fatima at night. I also wrote that in the format you requested. Then please allow me to fix at least those parts that I directly wrote down the quotes for as a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldstone2222 (talk • contribs) 09:49, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

The page WP:PRIMARY gives a detailed explanation of why an encyclopedia prefers secondary and tertiary sources in articles. When there are different points of view, as may be between Sunni and Shia traditions, then we use the sources and weight policies to determine which views to include and how much coverage they get. And as Qwyrxian pointed out, Hadith are not generally reliable sources for anything except exactly what they say. Original research and synthesis like you engage in above ("...I wrote the Surah from the quran to prove to you the point about lady fatima...") are simply not permitted under the project's policies because you used primary sources to form conclusions and opinions. So, if you want to make a change in the text, the very first thing you need is good sources, and the second thing you'll need is consensus on how to balance and present the information, if it is to appear at all. I hope these links will help you to understand how WP works. Good luck, Doc Tropics 21:48, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I think this article is based on reliable sources in accordance with WP policies. As you can see there is not any major change during last two years and it is the best evidence which shows the article is not POV. Please tell us whether you agree to remove POV tag.--Seyyed(t-c) 09:27, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

How can information written hundreds of years after an incident be more reliable than information written at the time of the incident? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.150.15.99 (talk) 17:00, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Aparytai's additions

Could I get the opinions of other editors on Aparytai's additions (see the most recent edit). I reverted once, because to me this seems to be far too much quoting for a WP article, and I'm concerned about the source. I'm not even sure that the whole topic meets WP:DUE. However, this content is quite a bit out of my knowledge base, so maybe I'm not looking at this the right way. At a minimum, I think we need to take that information and convert it from 7 block quotes into 1 summary paragraph. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking my information into consideration, however there lies another problem as well within this topic that is; incomplete information of Ali's family/marital life, for instance. How many women Ali married, number of his children (Sons, daughters ), their names etc.Ashurnasirpal 12:51, 11 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aparytai (talk • contribs)

Could you please tell me more about the source? The way its written, it looks like a primary religious document (like a hadith)? Is it? Is it some other form of commentary? When was it published? Qwyrxian (talk) 23:41, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

This event is for the first time reported by father of Shi'a Hadith scholars of the Third Hijri Century -329 A.H, famouly known as Ibn Babveh or Al-Qummi in his well known work, “Elal Al-Sharae’”, pp.185-186, Al-Najaf Print; later on this event is also mentioned by famous Shi'a scholars like Mullah Baqir Majlisi in his famous“Biharul Anwar,43/201-202 and also by at least all later sunni scholars like Imam Muslim in his Sahee Narration #5999 reported this event.Ashurnasirpal 03:41, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Brother in my first post I have had told you that I am not an expert of editing of wikipedia...kindly ignore my mistakes instead have a deep insight on my given information/citation/references...I asked you last time about adding information regarding Ali's other nines wives/ Slaves girls from whom Ali's other chirdren born which are 37 in numbers (total 19 sons/ 18 daughters) including four children from Fatima.Ashurnasirpal 08:41, 12 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aparytai (talk • contribs)

Well, one problem is that I know nothing about the subject matter, so I'm finding it difficult to advise. However, I do know that it would not be appropriate to include information about all of his children--probably only those which are notable themselves, and then only as necessary to explain Ali's life itself. The reason I asked about the sources is that a source from 329 A.H. probably doesn't count as a reliable source on Wikipedia. On the other hand, it looks like a lot of this article is sourced to things that aren't reliable sources. In any event, one of the points I made above is that we shouldn't just be providing long quotations of our source. Instead, we should summarize what the source says and provide an appropriate citation. Do you think you can do that? I can try, though, without subject matter knowledge, it may be difficult. I've been hoping that other editors of this article would jump in to help, but it seems a bit lonely here. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually what we have been lacking here are good/sincere/knowledgeable/neutral editors and I also find it extremely difficult to bring this article to an scholarly level, because of those people who turn the topic towards their own thinking/motives/sectarian views/logic etc. I really don't understand a source of the 9th A.D isn't reliable? On what basis both the Sunni/Shi'ite religious Scholars have confirm the happening of this event and not only modern day scholars but of classical age had confirmed that all the narrators/chain of narrators are trust worthy and worthwhile to accept their words. Beside with that though Ali is not only a Shi'ite figure that usually he is depicted but also to the Sunni's that he is among the companions of the Prophet. Yes you can summarize the narration, however before adding to the article kindly briefed me on the summarize paragraph, if the subject need any citation...Yes you are right in words that its quite lonely here.Ashurnasirpal 03:55, 16 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aparytai (talk • contribs)

Well, Sunni's have recorded this in their books, So, it should be presented as a Sunni view of Ali.

But as for Shi'a concern we have to be careful unlike Sunni's, who consider some of their books as "Sahih", Shi'a's dont consider any book as authetic. Every narration has to be judged according to the science of hadiths (usul-e-Hadiths). Hence, existance of such a tradition in their books does not imply that they have this opinion. I have come across following website about this matter

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f15/ali-ra-proposal-daughter-abu-jahl-la-21899/

I know we can not use this website as a wiki source but the content of the article can be verified (for example Majlisi himself declaring it as un-reliable)

Still I think the material should be included as a Sunni View. As long as Shi'a view is concerned following should be verified and included in the article;

Old Sunni Scholar, Ibn Abi'l-Hadid Mu'tazali quotes a report from his leader and teacher, Abu Ja'far Iskafi Baghdadi, in his Sharh-e-Nahju'l- Balagha, vol. I, p.358, that Mu'awiya Bin Abu Sufyan had formed a group of companions and the 'tabi'in' (the 'second' generation which immediately followed the Prophet) for the purpose of forging hadith in condemnation of Ali. Their purpose was to make him a target of reproach so that the people would keep aloof from him.

--Mutawassam (talk) 01:38, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

On a second thought following is already present in Wiki with sources;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatima_bint_Muhammad#Marriage_Relationship

--Mutawassam (talk) 01:58, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what are you saying?didn't really get the point of your response...Its primary source isn't of Sunnis but from Shi'a own scholars and also reported by Al-qummi father of Shi'ites hadith and later on by mulla baqir majlisi and all of the narrators are Shi'ites not a single one is from Sunni sect...now coming to your point we are discussing a historic aspect not a religious aspect of an ordinary personality. You should ride in one boat/ark (Hadith or history) instead of two. Both of them contradict each other whether its belongs to Sunnis or Shi'ites.

One more point I am going to discuss in this forum is the Name of Ali's father. I really don't understand why have you people sticked to the nick name of Ali's father while totally ignoring the fact that his actual/Real name was Abd Munaf. If an explaination is not provided I am afriad this issue will be raised with wikipedia complainent authorities and further I will start re-edition of this article according to the reliable source of both of Shi'ite/sunnis.Ashurnasirpal 07:04, 12 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aparytai (talk • contribs)

Go ahead and edit the article. When you do so, don't remove any reliable sources already there, and be sure to source anything you add. Do not use the Qu'ran, hadith, or other primary documents as sources--instead, look for scholarly sources, academic journals, history texts, etc. Ideal sources would be ones that aren't either Sunni or Shia, but are, in fact, independent. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:03, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

My point is very simple; the narration that you are referring to is not authentic from shi'i point of view. As i said earlier Qummi, though, have recorded this incidence but has written that its not reliable. So how can you use a thing from a book about which the author himself says that its not reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mutawassam (talk • contribs) 01:36, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Also, his name should be written as Ali ibn Abi talib because;

1-Name of Abu talib is controversial some say his name is Imran other say his name is Abd Munaf 2-Abu talib is not a nickname, it's epithet which, in arabic, culture is widely used as name to an extent that real name become obscure as is the case with Abu Talib (Imran/Abd Munaf), Abu bakr (Abdullah/Attiq), both personality's real name is a point of contention. 3-Ali is more popularaly known as Ali ibn Abi talib then Ali ibn Abd Munaf/Imran and the whole point of using the Father's name is to distinguish the personalities, which if we use Abd Munaf/Imran is not fulfilled. In that case why not use just Ali as we do in case of "Albert Einstein". --Mutawassam (talk) 07:31, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I am afraid you didn't read the sources and its reliable narrators anyways we are here discussing an historic topic not a religious point of view of a particular sect, because if you want to discuss it on religious basis then the at least complete article would be altered from top to bottom and same logic will be applied to Abd Manaf father of Ali. Now coming to your points...Its an established fact that Ali's father name was Abd Munaf famous by Shi'ites on Abu Talib (Talib was Abd Munaf's elder son) this forgery was created by later Shi'ite historian of 3rd/4th century Hijri later on also copied as same by some of sunni writers, that his name was Imran which is not true. I have raised same questions regarding Abu Baker, whose real name is Abdullah ,which itself is given by Prophet Mohammad...However the case of Abd Munaf is different because he died as non believer(Kafir), even on many occasions prophet asked him to convert to Islam but he always refused to accept Islam--Ashurnasirpal 09:10, 24 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aparytai (talk • contribs)

I amd not making any religious comments, please try to refrain from such comments. I am simply stating the fact that writing the name as Ali ibn Abi Talib is an Arabic tradition, no where els names are written in this style so;

1. either we should write the name in Arabic style, where his name is written as "Ali Ibn Abi Talib"
2. or we should write the name in universal style which is just "Ali"

while writing Ali ibn Abdu Munaf, you are not adhering to any standards.

Second, you are making tall claims by saying that Shi'i's concocted the name of Abu Talib, please refrain from such comments since other party will also make comments that such things are included into books by Payed Sunni historians who took instructions from Ummayd kinigs (as recorded by Sunni historian, Ibn-ul-Hadid in Nejhul Balagha)

Also, It still is a debatable issue what was the real name of Abu Talib you should present the factual data rather then allegation, or I will have to report you.

About the matter of Ali willing to marry the daughter of Abu Jahal, First, as I pointed out earlier the people you are quoting themselves have caste doubt on the issue. So please don't spread misquoted things.

second, I think you are already told to refrain from Hadiths books since Wiki does not recognize the authenticity of primary source but you have quoiting Bihar and Elal share which are hadiths books. you are suppose to provide scholarly observations for that I have already told you to create two views, Sunni Views which accept this incidence and Shi'i View who reject it. As this is already present in Wiki. --Mutawassam (talk) 06:37, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

To me (and remember, I know nothing about the subject matter, and am not any form of Muslim), it looks like both of you need to present sources. Aparytai, it is correct that you should not be using hadith as sources for this article. We need scholarly sources, preferably modern scholarly sources, not religious ones. Hadith are always primary sources, and as such must be used with extreme caution (especially if contradicted by secondary sources). So, it would help if both of you would stop asserting what the "facts" are, what websites say, and what religious books say, and instead try to tell us what the reliable sources say. If, in fact, reliable sources disagree, then our article should reflect that, and we should provide all spellings for the names. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:22, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

@Qwyrxian; Shia acknowledge the saying of Muhammad, "Fatimah is a part of me and whoever offends her offends me", however the context of the reporting in reference to Ali is disputed. "Among the many fabricated stories told against Imam Ali was that he had asked for Abu Jahl's (the chief of infidels) daughter's hand in marriage. When this news reached Fatimah (A), she rushed to her father who found out the falsity of the story."[32]

Shia say this statement was used by Fatimah herself when she spoke to Abu Bakr and Umar, stating that they had both displeased her.[33]

1. ^ - Fatimah ['a] The Gracious by Abu Muhammad Ordoni Published by: Ansariyan Publications Qum, The Islamic Republic of Iran
2. ^ ibn Qutayba, Abu Muhammad. Al-Imama wa-al-siyasa. 1. Dar ul-marifa. pp. 14.

al-Qurashi, Baqir (2006). The Life of Fatimah az-Zahra. Ansariyan Publications. pp. 240–241. Ordoni, Abu-Muhammad (1992). "52". Fatima the Gracious. Ansariyan Publications. pp. 255.

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for further scholarly observation please check, following wiki page; Fatimah_marital_life#Shia.2FSunni_debate

About the name; this is not a problem of spelling; the problem is that the present name does not comply any standard; It should be written as it is used in Arabic world. Nowhere in any arabic literature his name is written as Ali ibn Abdu Munaf. He's always referred to as Ali ibn Abi Talib and that's how he should be dressed, particularly when we are suing Arabic method of naming (using the father's name) For example i don't use my name as "Mutawassam son of Ghulam Ali", since I am not Arab. "Ali ibn Abi Talib" is Arabic tradition so it should be written as it is popular in Arabic literature.

--Mutawassam (talk) 14:21, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

'Ali ibn Abi Talib' is commonly referred name in all literature and Ali commonly known by this name only amongst its follower.--Md iet (talk) 10:09, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I revereted the edits of user Aparytai about Ali's father name (obviously wrong and no need for more clarification) and pushing OR about Ali's family to the article for 3 reasons. First, S/he has cited Bihar al-Anwar which is a an example of original research (book is written more than 3 centuries ago); second the book is a non reliable source for Wikipedia, alspo even for Islamic topics since it's just a collection of narrations (It's author wrote the book just to save all the existing narrations left by his time in order to be a primary source for future Shia scholars since lots of Shia narrations were destroyed due to long years of Ottoman-Persian wars and previously Mongolian invasion; So even for Muslims it's not a reliable source! 4 Canonical Shia Hadith collections are Kafi, Tahdhib al-Ahkam, Man la yahduruhu al-Faqih, and Al-Istibsar); Third, even if we consider it as RS (which is not), we can't write such essay due to WP:WEIGHT. Regards,--Aliwiki (talk) 00:14, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Please Be only factual !!!

To expose more clearly the issue that I am talking about... For example: reading the paragraph "Ash'ath ibn Qays and some others rejected Ali's nominees, 'Abd Allah ibn 'Abbas and Malik al-Ashtar, and insisted on Abu Musa Ash'ari, who was opposed by Ali, since he had earlier prevented people from supporting him". Let us have a look at the sentence "since he had earlier prevented people from supporting him".

This sentence does not reflect an objective and a factual view of events. Furthermore, no reference has been provided to entitle this statement. Hence, the neutrality of this saying is disputed... So, this is why I think that it has to be removed (and all non-factual statements) and the content of the article has to be reformulated in neutral way; a way that exposes only facts. But if you want to exposes anything but a fact, references must be provided. So, the reader can make freely its own opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.126.40.180 (talk) 08:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Non-Muslim views

I think that more quotes need to be added from prominent figures about Ali ibn Abi Talib along with references. This will help to provide better insight on Ali ibn Abi Talib's character from outside perspectives which will aid in clearing misconceptions. Mqadir2 (talk) 03:53, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually, generally speaking, we don't want quotations--we want a summary of what reliable sources have said. While some quotations are okay, no article should be primarily a summary of quotations. Do you have any sources in mind that would be good for the article? Qwyrxian (talk) 04:26, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 December 2011

Could you please remove this picture it is a violation of our religious beliefs. Other then that everything looks like just the picture is very disturbing since Islam forbids pictures of people. Thank you.

173.206.215.92 (talk) 19:54, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done: Please see Talk:Muhammad/FAQ. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 22:35, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 January 2012

121.52.155.4 (talk) 09:13, 21 January 2012 (UTC) you should not supposed to display picture

Not done: Please see Talk:Muhammad/FAQ. Doc Tropics 13:27, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 February 2012

Remove the image depicts Ali(Razhiyallahu Anhu)

Yas.9944 (talk) 05:21, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Please see Talk:Muhammad/FAQ. Ogress _smash! 05:38, 25 February 2012 (UTC)