Talk:Alii

Feudal?

I don't remember exactly what characterizes feudalism, but I have heard Hawaiian scholars, most recently Kekuni Blaisdell, assert that Hawaii was not a feudal society. It would be good to be clear on that - or maybe even remove this part to another article. Makana Chai (talk) 01:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I heard the same thing from Haunani K. Trask but Dr. Keanu Sai explained why it is and explained what a feudal lord & feudal system really is. Mamoahina (talk) 06:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Question re new changes

Mahalo Kavebear for your contributions! I learned something new about po'e lo ali'i. Kamakau in People of Old says there are 11 degrees of chiefs, with the lo ali'i at number 5. It would be good if this article tracked Kamakau. Sorry I don't have time to write it myself. Mahalo! Makana Chai (talk) 09:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

The Lo-Alii's are mentioned, but I only added on information when I stumble upon it. I trying to complete the list of Alii Aimoku of Oahu, so I can began on an article of Kingdom of Oahu. I don't have time either, so sorry and I don't know much about the author Kamakau. I mostly read Account of Polynesian Race by Abraham Fornander. KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Also sometimes it says Naha chiefs are father and daughter. And sometimes some unions are classified as different Aliis. So it is really confusing. KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I think if you read Kamakau you would find it less confusing. With all due respect, Fornander's Account is not the best source for anything (though his collection of mythology is wonderful). I understand you don't have time but then it's important to make sure what you do put up is right. How about un-doing the lo ali'i until you, I or someone can make it right? Mahalo. Makana Chai (talk) 23:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh! Is that what you want? Just ask me to remove it. It is no big deal. I put it in the talk page. KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

So you, like Zora have appointed yourself as the official keeper of these pages because you created them? And if I created something very similar to it how can I guarantee that it won't be altered based on whatever ideas or concepts you feel is appropriate for the average American to understand? I know all of this since earlier today an admin explained to me what and why behind edits of wikipedia. If you claim that all one needed to do was to ask to remove it, that isn't always the case as in the example of your habitual use of titles, yet in a response to someone else back in May 2010 you told that person what I was telling you about titles. I can understand the egotistical drive to find a forum where you can exercise some type of limited acquired knowledge but at least start citing sources and, as in the case of ali'i 'aimoku, provide the true definition. Mamoahina (talk) 06:50, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

It seems like you and I have gotten off on the wrong foot. First of all I didn't create this page and secondly I don't claim any article as my own or a keeper of any article. No one can own an article. As for the title, be my guest, change it if you like. There is alot.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:09, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Lo-Alii

The Lo-aliʻi (Chiefs of Royal Blood), similar to the French title of Prince of the Blood, were the one of the most precious of all. Though not of the highest caste, in their intermarriages within the family, but they were valued for consorts due to their uncorrupt lineage. The Lo-Alii live in the mountains of Oahu, apart from society, thereby allowing their blood to remain pure. Lo-alii had access to the Kukaniloko Birthstone; famous Lo-Aliis include the chiefs of Oahu and Lo Lale, hence his name, and his descendants and it isn't know why his full-blooded-brother, Piliwale, was not consider a Lo-Alii. KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

You habitually make comparisons to anything European in order to comprehend Hawaiian terms. You really need to understand and grasp the Hawaiian words for what they really are, sometimes you can't get an exact translation. You would know this if you spoke more than one language. Mamoahina (talk) 06:42, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

No need to be scornful. This is English Wikipedia last I checked and translating foreign words into English terms is something that many scholars do and it's interesting and nice to know for someone who doesn't understand Hawaiian. And for you're info I speak Mandarin, Cantonese, Teochew, English, and a little bit of German.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Nīʻaupiʻo

I am so confused. What is the difference between a piʻo chief and a niʻaupiʻo? And why is Keopuolani be often called a niʻaupiʻo of a naha union? This article really needs seriously rewriting someday.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:37, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Aliʻi

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC) Ali'i → Aliʻi –

• No point in using apostrophe. Okinas are okay to use now like in ʻIolani Palace when not using the version without any glottal stop.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:00, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Oppose. Why put a non-typeable character in the title when the vast majority of readers won't even notice the difference? Titles are for navigation, but I certainly don't object to the okina being used inside the article. Kauffner (talk) 13:44, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Kawaihae, Hawai'i - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 00:40, 26 December 2011 (UTC)