Talk:Andy Goram

Loyalists

Mr. Goram was known to support Ulster Loyalists in his days as a rangers goalie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.15.171.152 (talk • contribs) 20:30, 1 August 2005

Schizophrenia

Andy Goram was reportedly diagnosed with schizophrenia (I can't find an actual date for these reports, but I'm pretty sure it was while he was playing for Rangers), prompting chants from the fans of:

"Two Andy Gorams, there's only two Andy Gorams"

The chant became the title of the book Two Andy Gorams: The Funniest Football Songs Ever.... by Ian Black (ISBN: 1902927532)

- N (talk) 14:00, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Sectarian-based content

I have removed the sectarian-based content. It is both flimsy and unsupported material and seriously unbalances the article.

BBO 17:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I have readded some of the sectarian content that I found sources for. Can't find one for the UVF photo but I remember it being in all the papers at the time. Catchpole 10:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Try this one : http://www.worldsoccernews.com/news/1999Feb/19990219_1124_world_soccer.html

Andy goram never won 48 caps for scotland, and i thought when the fans sang 2 andy gorams it was due to the size he was slightly overweight?

Questionable sentence

"although he frequently withdrew from squads which led to his international career being curtailed."

What about the Jim Leighton?

Sectarianism

You can see pictures of yourself of the newspaper reports proving that Andy Goram is sectarian here :

http://i1.tinypic.com/mtuqa1.jpg

and here :

http://i1.tinypic.com/mtuqsl.jpg

"Proving he is sectarian"

This may help you. Archibald99 22:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Whether sectarian or not, Andy Goram's support for the UVF is controversial as they are a terrorist group resonsible for the killing of innocents. This man's disgusting views are a point of interest when looking at him, and hence there is no reason why they should not be featured on his article. There's evidence. He's posing with a UVF flag. The only reason for editing that out and labelling it vandalism is Unionist/Rangers bias. - SkinTheGoat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SkinTheGoat (talk • contribs) 23:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that, although I was already perfectly aware of the definition. For anyone who can't be bothered to click on the link provided, this is the appropriate definition : sec·tar·i·an (sĕk-târ'ē-ən) - One characterized by bigoted adherence to a factional viewpoint. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cloveoil (talk • contribs) 23:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 08:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Descent

Currently Goram is categorised as both Scottish of English Descent, and English of Scottish Descent. While he can be descended from both Scots & English, he cannot be both Scottish and English. So which is it? His self-identification as Scottish would suggest Scottish, which means the second category is wrong, regardless what his descent is.

Regarding which; the cite provided on his upbringing in England explains nothing about the nationality of his parents or even grandparents. All we can say is he was born and brought up in England, which tells us nothing of his descent. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 14:28, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

His father (Lewis) was Scottish, who also played as a goalkeeper. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 15:55, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Out of the two I would say the first has to go, because he isn't really of English descent at all. He's basically a Scot who was born in England. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 15:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

He may, depending on your viewpoint, be regarded as English of Scottish Descent, but if he self identifies as Scottish then that should go. It's not the place of Wikipedia to tell Gorum he's English if he regards himself as Scottish. Particularly when he has good cause to call himself Scottish.

If it can be shown that his mother, or a grandparent, is/was English then the Scottish of English Descent would be ok. But we don't presently have anything in the article to support this.

So as it stands I think both should go. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 16:52, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

The situation according to Rangers' Cult Heroes is that he was born and raised in England but "as a Scot". I don't see this as being particularly different from Army brats raised in foreign territories. I wouldn't include either category. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)