Talk:Anti-communism

Balance

Could the people who worked on the criticism section of this article also flesh out the criticism sections of the communist and anti-capitalist pages? There needs to be some balance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.215.39.8 (talk) 09:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

So that's been edited out. Not surprisingly, the authentic communist or anti-capitalist would be expected to be less likely to try to repress their opposition. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 12:03, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Lack of focus and bias in "Anti-communism in the United States and Cold War"

The section starts out with a short reference to the Palmer raids and goes on to mainly explain the supposed evils of Communist nations and other arguments & justifications for anti-Communism. Then ends with an equally odd reference to an "anti-Communist" day. This section needs to edited to include information about actual American anti-Communism (McCarthy, the Rosenbergs, etc.) and to remove the bias - supportive of anti-Communism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.48.39 (talk) 00:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

repression and anticommunism

i tried to make a detailed section's structure, dividing by country. of course it is provisional and opened to further expansion by more detailed info about every country --78.13.72.115 (talk) 16:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Anti-communist resistance

I've created a disambig under that name. Please expand.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:33, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

'Caused by the kings of Europe'? C'mon guys, we can do better than that

The section on the European monarchies is laughable, it's very biased and much of it is not true, by the time of WWI most, if not all, the monarchies of Europe were constitutional monarchies, this meant that the monarchs held little, if any, power. King George V or the Kaiser can hardly be blamed for the war. The only true, functional monarchies were the Russian Empire (which was evolving into a constitutional monarchy) and Liechtenstein (which was never a combatant in WWI and hasn't had an armed forces for nearly 200 years)

Even as early as Queen Victoria's time, the monarchy in most European powers was merely a tradition and the monarch a figurehead and France had been a republic for decades. The section requires extreme editing- TashkentFox 14:39, 26 January 2009

Conflict between Communism and Freemasonry

It seems that there is an ancient conflict between Communism and Freemasonry, which was apparently the cause of a great deal of anti-Communism in Western states. This masonic anti-Communism ought to be written about more so it can be discussed further by academics and historians. ADM (talk) 19:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a platform for academic discussion. There are other places for that. 99.177.65.75 (talk) 03:07, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Augustinism and Pelagianism

Another interesting aspect I noticed while analyzing religious motives for anti-Communism is the historic opposition between Augustinism and Pelagianism in the Christian world. Accordingly, Augustinian philosophy, which is prominent among Roman Catholics and Protestants, interprets free will and divine grace in a way that allows for greater personal freedom in choosing a salvation which is freely offered by God. The emphasis on personal freedom and non-coercive choice plays a prominent role in anti-Communist political rhetoric in Western nations. In contrast, the Eastern Orthodox have been labeled semi-pelagian because they do not exactly share the same beliefs on original sin and will often oppose augustinian doctrines on infusion of grace and freedom of conscience. Therefore, several Eastern Orthodox beliefs that are taught in Russia and the former Soviet Union are arguably closer to Communism than Western views shared by Roman Catholics and Protestants. ADM (talk) 10:44, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Ronald Reagan's Picture

In any article which has to do with anti-communism should not President Ronald Reagan's picture be included, and perhaps even Margaret Thatcher's as well? Invmog (talk) 15:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Latest Changes to "Criticisms of Anti-Communism"

I have added material to the section...referenced. Despite this fact, I have a feeling that my edits will not sit well with the capitalist imperialst apologists. I do not blame you since corporate oligarchs have a monopoly on the mass media and the public school system strives for obedient workers instead of critical thinkers. I will begin searching for more references to back up the unreferenced claims in that section. We are moving towards a NPOV. Applying the framework the pro-capitalists place on the "communist" countries in a comparative analysis of the capitalist world, the only rational conclusion one can reach is that capitalism is a greater evil than communism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by World Views (talk • contribs) 21:00, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Introduction

No need to look further than the second sentance to find bias. Describing communism as a "threat" is not particularly neutral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.47.138 (talk) 22:04, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Good article nomination

This article about anti-Communism is detailed, has factual credibility and is worthy of Good article nomination. 141.84.69.20 (talk) 00:21, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Anti communism or criticism of (totalitarian) communist regimés?

What exacly is this article. For example the European Union condemns the crimes of totalitarian communist regimés. Not communism itself, from which many of its founding pillars on human rights have been formed. Such as the right to education and health which derive from early socialist and communisty theory. There needs be a clear distinction between these two things and if need be a new article dealing with anti-communism.

For example it is clear that the views of the soviet left are not anti-communist but anti-stalinist (that article already exists). Hitler was staunchly anti-communist but not anti totalitarian. The American form of anti-communism also differs from much of the criticism against communist regimés in Europe as america is one of very few nations who does not recognise the full charter of UN human rights (in terms of positive freedoms - that is rights to education, healthcare, work and housing - all communist/socialist principles).

I hope that this can be resolved. I was going to fully re-modify this article but I guess some discussion is much needed.

edit: Important, this is not criticism OF the criticism of communism. Just that this article has more criticism of certain communist regimés than than communist ideology. 79.102.222.155 (talk) 14:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Ridiculous article

This article does not even reach a second-rate standard. For example, the whole section about Vietnam is basically messed up and probably wrote by the Anti-communists themselves (ironically how the anti-communists can write this article, eh?). So much rumors was claimed as neutral (or "more objectivity over the subject") "information". The soldiers who fought on land and at sea during Vietnam-China border conflict 1979-1988 would found the part "Vietnam sell their friendship Gate and two eastern groups of islands" hilarious because they freaking died fighting to either protect or take over them. It sounds as stupid as "Japanese government sell out Okinawa Island to the US iN WW2" while in reality, U.S. Tenth Army was still fighting for every trench or every bunker Undergoldstar (talk) 13:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Any evidence supporting your claim that the Vietnamese Communist troops actually "fought" to protect what is now called "the Friendship Gate"? 113.166.1.68 (talk) 14:49, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Moldova?

The segment under Molodva covers the electoral dispute in 2009 after the ruling "Communist" party won. However, does this action count as "anti-communism"? Party of Communists of the Republic of Moldova is communist in name only, and its policies are hardly communist at all. That being said what happened in Moldova in 2009 was a protest of political results, I can hardly see how it can be included among other examples of "anti-Communism". --MercZ (talk) 22:30, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

NPOV

A messy hypercomplicated and undated NPOV was present which I replaced with a simple one dated to now. Haven't looked at article yet. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 03:52, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, see there are other issues as well. It could even be the reverse, an attempt to be NPOV or otherwise accomodate policy has made a messy but large article. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 03:55, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

No, that's not the case either. Appears to be be just a forum for trite anti-communist opinion, poorly rendered as you might expect. I guess I'm happy to let it stay as is. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 04:04, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Removing the tag however since it's unclear when it was placed, doesn't match anything here recent, and is redundant with the many section level tags. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 04:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Pic of Truman Needed.

One of Americas foremost anti-communists and the author of containment Harry Truman should have a picture on the article. Needless to say he formed the basic US policy towards Communism for the rest of the Cold War.134.124.126.122 (talk) 16:51, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Anticommunist repression against communists

There is almost complete lack of anticommunist crimes against communists. Repression of political opinion, mass murders etc. For instance, in the Serbian section there is a mention of chetniks, but anticommunism started earlier, in 1920., when communist party, third largest in the parliament was banned and "reduced in size" by 90 % (meaning their members and sympathizers were imprisoned). The same is with prewar Poland; nazi-Germany and various fascist regime weren't mentioned (although they were, apart from nazi-Germany, more anticommunist then antidemocratic or antisemitic). Salvador Allende, as a victim of anticommunist crimes isn't mentioned. New Brazilian president as a victim of anticommunist persecution isn't mentioned. This article is one-sided with obvious intention to show that anticommunism is something good with almost complete lack of crimes committed by anticommunists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.198.162.14 (talk) 14:12, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

pre Cold War

The article currently claims that "anti-communism didn’t become a significant force until the beginning of the Cold War in 1947.". Anti-Communism was one of the defining features of Nazism & Italian Fascism and heavily influenced European politics at the time which eventually culminated in WW2. If this is not a "significant force", what then? 188.192.9.154 (talk) 22:35, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

(replying to myself) I forgot the Royalists in Russia and the Kuomintang in China. The statement as it is just reeks of americacentrism. 188.192.9.154 (talk) 22:46, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is historically undeniable that anti-communism was a defining characteristic of Nazism, Italian Fascism, not to mention Francoism in Spain... The Kuomintang initially included communists among its members, but then Chiang Kai-shek carried out a violent anti-communist purge. Another problem with the article as it stands is that it says very little about opposition to communism from democratic socialists and social democrats. And what it does say about social democrats is inconsistent. Under the heading "Ex-communists", the reader is told "Many ex-communists have turned into anti-communists. Mikhail Gorbachev turned from a communist into a social democrat." Which seems to imply that a social democrat is necessarily an anti-communist. But then a few sentences later we are told about "Anti-communists who were once socialists, modern liberals or social democrats..." Does that mean you don't become an anti-communist until you have stopped being a social democrat, socialist, or liberal? Kalidasa 777 (talk) 01:30, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Falun Gong

Is the Falun Gong section really appropriate for this article? I'm certainly not saying anything against the Falun Gong demonstrators or the validity of their protest(s). I'm just wondering if protesting against a government who happens to be communist, because that government is repressing them specifically, is the same thing as protesting that government because they are communist (i.e. I'd argue their protest are based on the government's actions toward them, not on the government's communist nature. They're not protesting communism, which would be anti-communist, but are protesting A communist government's actions, which aren't directly realted to communism in general, but rather China's specific forms of repression. Just thought it might be stretching things a bit to label them communist. Like, if the guy down the block steals my bike, and happens to be communist, me yelling at him "I want my bike back" is not anti communist...I'm not yelling at him for being communist, I'm yelling at him because he's got my damn bike:)Jbower47 (talk) 21:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Completely agreed. To be against a government who happens to be communist doesn't mean being communist, because in that sense, Trotsky itself would be considered anti-communist, or the communists who were against the Stasi or the other government practices held by West Germany.

--187.55.43.64 (talk) 19:00, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Fascist opposition to communism

Looking at the history page for the article, I noticed that a section about Fascist and Nazi anti-communism was recently deleted on the grounds that it did not give sources. Here is the the diff. I agree that information in WP needs to be referenced. However, a properly referenced section on this topic is absolutely necessary, if the article is cover twentieth century anti-communism in a serious and comprehensive way. Kalidasa 777 (talk) 22:18, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I have tried to work on this section, using sources from other WP articles. But my efforts have been reverted by an anonymous editor who is intent on inserting links to publications on a neo-Nazi website, the Colchester Collection, into several WP articles. I will not revert again, as I am at risk of edit warring, so please can other editors look at these edits! Here is the diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-communism&action=historysubmit&diff=440936250&oldid=440897934 BobFromBrockley (talk) 15:25, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on this section. I've just had a look at diff, and I agree with you that 71.181.37.103 has acted inappropriately. He or she has pulled out sourced information, and then put back the tag saying that the section lacks sources! Kalidasa 777 (talk) 10:25, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Anti communism in South-America

This section lacks a lot of important information, such as that it was happening way before Operation Condor. One could lurk the history of Luis Carlos Prestes and Coluna Prestes to find more about this subject. While this is all I know, since I'm brazilian, I'm pretty sure such things happened in other south-american countries before the 70's.

--187.49.238.164 (talk) 15:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Much more should be added, maybe a section just about Brazil. Brazilian Integralism for instance is very important, since it found it's roots on Fascism and Nazism. One important thing is that differently from the european totalitarian movements, it's sole purpose was to erradicate Communism.

--187.49.238.164 (talk) 15:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)