Talk:Barbecue

American POV.

The whole article is written from an American POV written by a set of editors who only take into account the American side of things. While this is obviously systematic Bias and therefore, good faith, the article needs improvement. I suggest removing most of the info about BBQ's in the deep south to a separate Article. The section on gatherings and such ignores the fact barbecues are highly popular as social gatherings in other countries. --Τασουλα (Shalom!) (talk) 15:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd agree it does have an American bias right now, but not because there is too much info about BBQ in America, but rather not enough about BBQ outside of America. Might I suggest adding pertinent info to this article? I'd love to see such info expand this entry. Maybe down the road we need to prune down sections, move some of that section to their separate articles, but I think additions should be made first. --Reverend Loki (talk) 22:10, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The bias is not only American but also to the eastern United States. In California the word "barbecue" mainly refers to cooking hamburgers and hotdogs outside and these other usages are practically unknown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.225.215 (talk • contribs)

That meaning is covered in the Barbecue#Events and gatherings section. Powers ^T 23:27, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Auroch

Way too much detail and WP:TOPIC issues here (eg the image is largely irrelevant). Stone Age men may well have hunted and cooked meat, but apart from the use of the word barbecue (which is of much later origin), this is not helpful and needs a rewrite.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:44, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree the image is probably excessive, but otherwise I think the History section is fine. Like I said in my edit summary, it is sourced and clearly relevant. I think it is important to point out that barbecue originated with prehistoric man. Perhaps the research cited isn't ideal but the intent of the section is appropriate. –CWenger (^ • @) 05:52, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

This is something that has been in the news in the past few days, and may be worth a brief mention. The real problem - one that the article has faced before - is that cooking/grilling/eating meat is not necessarily a barbecue. This refers to a specific type of cooking on a frame with a slow heat.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Both sources call it barbecuing, and they seem reliable. Unless there are others that point out it was not barbecue, that is WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH. –CWenger (^ • @) 06:09, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Indeed the sources do say this, but as the article has pointed out before, barbecue is a specific form of cooking technique, not any situation where meat is cooked and eaten. The sources do not say how the auroch was cooked, which leads to a problem. No mention is made of a cooking frame, and the meat may simply have been placed into a fire until it was cooked. The word is of Caribbean origin and is intended to refer to cooking over a frame with a slow heat.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:19, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I've just reverted the same addition. Looks like the author misapplied the word barbecue which would mean it isn't a fully reliable source. Also, applying it in that manner isn't widespread and looks fringe.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 00:21, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

The reasons for reverting this are that it is too detailed, and that cooking meat over an open fire (which Stone Age man undoubtedly did) is not a barbecue in the generally accepted sense of the word.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:10, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘How to barbecue like prehistoric man goes into more detail about the cooking techniques, saying: "“Mesolithic hunter-gathers used different types of hearths for cooking meat. Most probably they used a simple fire on the ground-surface but it is also possible they cooked the meat in pits — (probably wrapped in leaves), the so-called hearth-pits.” This confirms the theory that Stone Age man used cooking techniques similar to the rotisserie and earth oven, which are still used in some cultures today. Neither of these techniques is a barbecue in the strict sense of the word, which is why the story headline "How to barbecue like prehistoric man" is apt.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:20, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

The "sacred fire pit" etymology?

I was surprised of the "sacred fire pit" etymology, which is different from the one in OED, for example. Then I tracked down the cited text and saw that the definition comes from "Peter Guanikeyu Torres, President and Council Chief of the Taino Indigenous Nation of the Caribbean and Florida". See for example this: He not only assured me that the Taino were alive and well, but also translated "barbecue" from Taino language as follows: Ba from Baba (father) Ra from Yara (place) Bi from Bibi (beginning) Cu from Guacu (the sacred fire) Or "the beginning of the sacred fire father." He further explained that "Taino barabicoa" means "the stick stand with four legs and many sticks of wood on top to place the cooking meat." He advised that "Taino Barabicu" means "the sacred fire pit." (http://www.barbecuen.com/glossary-pg3.htm#ixzz1iJ56VzRF ) This is a somewhat controversial, as some people would claim that Taino are extinct and "However only 6 sentences of Taíno have been recorded" (http://www.cariblanguage.org/taino.html ). But maybe someone knows more? 82.181.42.45 (talk) 13:28, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposed Move

This subjection gives undue weight to a couple of regions within a single country on what is a global past-time. The Regional variations of barbecue or Barbecue in the United_States is the appropriate location. -182.239.176.22 (talk) 08:36, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Agree, this section is getting a bit too long and specialized. It should at least be trimmed back.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:43, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I would tend to agree as well - it'll cut back on some duplication and improve the intended target article at the same time. Obviously needs a decent summary section left here. Blue Square Thing (talk) 22:57, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Pit beef predominates in Maryland???

I don't know about that. I spent many years living in Maryland, mostly in Baltimore but I worked in other areas of the state as well, and I can't remember pit beef even being a blip on the radar, aside from church fundraisers and company picnics, prepared by companies that did nothing else. The barbecue places we went to in central Maryland and on the Eastern Shore were old line Maryland, been around for 70 or 80 years, or more, at that time, and they mostly served pork ribs, although some had chicken and occasionally beef, too. I think you're confusing grilling with 'cue. Zlama (talk) 07:18, 17 February 2012 (UTC)