Talk:Battle of Mactan

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There is a scientific discussion that the Battle of Mactan did not take place on the present island of Mactan which was called opo island until the international airport was built there and the island was renamed 'Mactan'. Supposedly the battle of Mactan was on the Camotes islands that were caleld 'Mactan' at that time. EtW —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.134.161 (talk) 22:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The old name of the island of Mactan is Opong. Regarding the Camotes issue, indeed, there were artifacts on the island of Camotes, specifically in the Barrio of Mactang )which is adjacent to the Barrio of Bulaya in the Municipality of Poro. In contrast with the Island of Mactan, no artifacts were ever recovered save perhaps for a few iron spears which may be viewed at the Southwestern University Museum, but the same were collected without regard to proper documentation and serious archaeological investigation. Cdvl (talk) 08:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

A Muslim and a Tausug?

There is no evidence whatsoever in the Visayas that the region believed in the Islamic Faith or that Lapulapu was a Muslim and a Tausug. Until such a time that there are historical sources cited for such an assertion, I will continue to delete any citation and reference as regards the matter. Self-serving references claiming his membership as a Tausug tribal leader is not supported by historical fact save perhaps for the website from which it was quoted. History is not based on conjectures. It is based on facts. Not fantasy. I will reiterate that I shall continue to delete any citation and reference as regards the matter unless and until historical scholars can find proof that indeed he was a muslim and a Tausug. At most, he is a Visayan Hero and tribal leader, and he will remain as such til the contrary that he was muslim and Tausug is proven. Cdvl (talk) 18:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

--> please check Philippine government, they have recognized him as a muslim, in that time there were only two types of people and they were animist or muslim, he is in the sultanate of sulu crest. do your research please. or this looks like you have something against his religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.67.151.149 (talk) 01:26, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

"Battle of Mactan"?

I haven't actually seem this nomenclature employed in scholarly publications, but perhaps I'm just overlooking something. A "J-Stor" search for the phrase turns up only this, where it is used as "battle of Mactan" (the word "battle" isn't capitalized, thus the author is just referring to an unnamed battle that occurred at Mactan.) A Google search reveals 8,000 hits for the phrase, but as with the above incident it's unclear which of these are applying this phrase as a title. I have thusfar found references to the "Battle of Mactan" on Philippine websites, but not elsewhere. This article suggests that the more popular titular expression is "the battle between Lapu-Lapu and Ferdinand Magellan."

In summation, my question is: is this incident in fact labeled "the Battle of Mactan" in acadæmic circles?--Xiaphias (talk) 08:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I just checked, and in Laurence Bergreen's 2003 book Over the Edge of the World, he uses the lowercase version ("battle of Mactan"). --Xiaphias (talk) 08:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm going to rework the article accordingly since I haven't gotten any feedback. If you object, let me know. --Xiaphias (talk) 10:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

1500 men?

could this be an exaggeration of Antonio Pigafetta? some historians consider this questionable since the Visayas regions of the philippines are remote and thus not very populated. i think that the number of lapu-lapu's men should be lowered; at least to a reasonable and plausible number. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.153 (talk) 11:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

A circular argument?

This article uses as one of its major sources a web site (an amateur, non-academic page), which carries a near-exact copy of this article and sites only one source: Wikipedia! Needless to say, this is not an adequate reference. EugeneK (talk) 03:00, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Explorer?

The "explorer" appellation seems overly generous in light of his passenger's account: "Seeing that, the captain-general sent some men to burn their houses in order to terrify them." [1] The title "terrorist" or "mercenary" seems more fitting in the context of the Battle of Mactan. Since his mission was explicitly meant to extend the economic dominion of Spain, the term "fascist scout" might be equally descriptive. "Explorer" suggests respectfully scientific observation, e.g. Charles Darwin, Jacques Cousteau, Robert Ballard, etc. While I wouldn't suggest removing Magellan from Wikipedia's Explorer page, his exploits in the Philippines were far from just "discovery of resources or information". Lonestarnot (talk) 20:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Strength

Someone seems to be having a problem with the fact that there were 49 Christian explorers fighting more than 1,500 Muslim warriors. This number is documented by Antonio Pigafetta, who was neither a soldier nor a Spaniard, and whose testimony is used as a basis for numerous works and history studies all over the world, including this very same Wikipedia. Please stop vandalizing this page and trying to distort the facts. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RafaelMinuesa (talk • contribs) 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

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Legends

Is this page written by Filipinos? Of all the sections here, the English here has to be the worst. Can we use some proper English here? Thanks. mbswriter @ gmail dot com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.198.78.109 (talk) 19:25, 29 January 2012 (UTC)