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[edit] Tolkien on Beowulf
The following sentence is inaccurate:Tolkien seemed to view Beowulf as merely a "half-baked" narrative complete with "beer-bemused Anglo-Saxons"and "inaccurate Christian antiquarian (sic)" In Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics these statements attributed to Tolkien are actually his quotation and paraphrase of other critics of the poem, with whom he went on to explain he disagreed. I will remove it. --Bradeos Graphon Βραδέως Γράφων (talk) 19:11, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
[edit] What about Hrothgar's warning?
I think that it should be said here that Hrothgar warned Beowulf against this. When Beowulf fought Grendel and Grendel's mother, he had his thanes come with him to fight, while when he fought the dragon, he told his thanes to stay behind the bushes and not fight, unless he needs help. Hrothgar told Beowulf after he'd killed Grendel's mother to not be proud, because many forget that their good fortune will ever end, and they'll become reckless, which will cause them to be killed. The specific quote, in Seamus Heaney's translation, is lines 1732-1743,1750-1753 "He [God] permits him [man] to lord it in many lands / until the man in his unthinkingness / forgets that it will ever end for him. / He indulges his desires; illness and old age / mean nothing to him; his mind is untroubled / by envy or malice or the thought of enemies / with their hate-honed swords. The whole world / conforms to his will, he is kept from the worst / until an element of overweening / enters him and takes hold / while the soul's guard, its sentry, drowses, / grown too distracted. A killer stalks him, / [...] because of good things that the Heavenly Powers gave him in the past / he ignores the shape of things to come. / Then finally the end arrives." It was basically a warning to not be proud, and be cautious, basically it said, "you're still only human, Beowulf" which Beowulf ignored, and, well, he died. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikigold96 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Lazy hyperlinks
Hyperlinking a word should not be an excuse to unabashedly use jargon. It's unclear & looks gratuitous. Like "fitt." That totally destroys any flow. Term not required, should remove.
Scyld Scefing (lines 1–52)
fixed lazy hyperlink, ("fitt") explained jargon, -but remains feeling clumsy, redundant, pedantic & didactic. Needless words are clutter.
69.228.14.23 (talk) 20:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)Doug Bashford
[edit] nowell codex?
the beowulf manuscript is not found in the nowell codex. some angry tween will probably delete this, but this is the reason why academia avoids wikipedia like the plague. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.254.168.176 (talk) 23:01, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Could you explain more clearly what you know about the MS and the codex, and give a source? Colin McLarty (talk) 20:50, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Because, you know, nothing impresses academia like people who can't use capital letters. In any case, Beowulf and the Beowulf manuscript, by Kevin S. Kiernan, as published by the University of Michigan Press tells us that Beowulf is found in the Nowell Codex. If there were any dispute on the issue, it would be found in academia itself.--Prosfilaes (talk) 04:56, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
- Also I am having trouble imagining how that could be disputed even in academia. Whether the Beowulf manuscript is to be found in the Nowell Codex or not is a rather straightforward fact to establish. --Saddhiyama (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
