Talk:Bilbao

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Carlo Bilbao

Carlo Bilbao - guitar genius of the psychedelic rock band "Captain". one of the most underrated guitar players in the world. Invented the "Flaming slide Guitar" Famous for his guitar sound effects without really using any, his synchopated guitar phrasing and approach and his distinct tone. Influenced by blues and rock and roll. Born to Estrellita Decena and Jaime Bilbao on September 19, 1974. Has 3 other brothers Radough, Joaquin and Adlofo.

Official Name and Nervion

The ofcial Basque name of Bilbao is not Bilbo but Bilbao itself. Nevertheless Bilbo is a popular colloquial name for the city in both Basque and Spanish. BIlbo is not the "colloquial" name in basque, is the ONLY name in basque, Bilbao is the old basque name.

Also the official name for the province is not anymore Vizcaya (Spanish spellin) but Bizkaia (Basque spelling, slightly different pronunciation).

Another error is that the river is officially the Ibaizabal. This is matter of confussion because both rivers the Nervión (Basque "Nerbioi") and Ibaizabal meet shortly before entering the city and reaching the stuary (precisely in Bilbao). The Ibaizabal is a longer river and therefore, according to all geographic criteria should be considered (and actually is considered offcially) the river that reaches Bilbao but centuries of Spanish (Castilian) influence have made the Nervión much more known, because its course was approximately that of the roads that went into Castile.

Anyhow, officially at least, Bilbao has the official name of "Bilbao" both in Basque and Spanish, the province of which is capital has the offcial name of "Bizkaia" (though is known as Vizaya in other parts of Spain) and the river that ends its course in Bilbao is officially the "Ibaizabal" (meaning "wide river") and not the Nervión/Nerbioi, which is just an affluent of the former.

I can tell, because I live there.

No, it's not true, the Ibaizabal is shorter (60km). Nervion is considered to be the main river because it's longer (75km), and it's more acurate to say "Nervion-Ibaizabal" system, and Ria de Bilbao from where they meet to the sea. The historic importance you say is more a POV thing, since some prefer Ibaizabal to be the main river because it's an entirely Basque river. I also live there.David 10:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree with you. The Ibaizabal carries much more water than the Nerbion when they unite, and the Nerbion gets in the path of the Ibaizabal. It is called Nerbion because of tradition, but it should be called Ibaizabal. Bye. Likirman 18:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• You don't agree, that's perfect. We all have our opinions, but Wikipedia needs the facts. The explanation given above is the most accurate geographical description. Opinions are POV.David 11:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

The official name of the city in Basque as regulated by Euskaltzaindia is BILBO (http://www.euskaltzaindia.net/arauak/dok/ProNor0145.pdf). "Bilbao" is just the old Basque form.

House of Basque Government

The house of the government of Autonomous Basque Community is not in Bilbo (castilian Bilbao) but in Gasteiz (castilian Vitoria). Where did you take that it's going to be built in Bilbao?

Pais Vasco/Basque Country/Euskadi

I didn't go as far as to change it in the article, but why is Euskadi referred to in the article in castillian? Would it not make more sense to either call it 'Euskadi' or 'Basque Country'? If it has an english name, shouldn't it be used instead in the english wikipedia?

Motto

The "invicta" phrase is more a title or honour than a motto. It was conceded by kings, not chosen by the local rulers. --Error 21:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Bilbo swords

This is a miscellaneous item of information, of maybe some interest: in Early Modern england certain type of sword was named as bilbo, in obvious reference to its Basque origins (Basque metallurgy was important even in Medieval times).

This name appears in Shakespeare's The Merry Wives of Windsor, when Pistol says:

Ha, thou mountain-foreigner! Sir John and Master mine,

I combat challenge of this latten bilbo.

Word of denial in thy labras here!

Word of denial: froth and scum, thou liest! [1]

The connection is well documented and I feel the issue does deserve a mention in the article. But I'm usure where to place it. Probably in a new section but should it be "Miscellanea", "References to Bilbao in English culture" or what?

Please discuss.

In relation with this, I intuitively think that the name of Tolkien's main character Bilbo Baggins, may derive indirectly from Bilbao, via Tolkien's own cultural references. Yet I can't document this assumption. Maybe there's some Tolkien-fanatic around that can shed light. --Sugaar 22:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe better forget this last part. I made some online search and, while I found a vague reference in Hexapedia, I also found an article that says that there seems to be a teddy bear of the Tolkien family that had that name [2]. --Sugaar 22:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:CDB Bilbao Berri.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Betacommandbot is wrong (like almost always). I have removed that tag as the rationale is in the cpyright tag itself. --Sugaar (talk) 11:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

What's going on in Bilbao?

From August the 16th to August the24th, Bilbao will be holding its Semana Grande festivities, which is Bilbao's main event of the year. Howevever, like many other events of the city, it's not listed here and listing every Bilbao event up-to-date in Bilbao's article could be kinda difficult. That's why, having read the Wikipedia:External_links and willing to contribute, we've added an external link to a page that contains events taking place in Bilbao worldwide users have entered for free. The page can be seen at Events in Bilbao with interactive map. If you feel linking to that page is inappropriate, could you please discuss. Thanks.--QuoVadisLive (talk) 09:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, it is inappropiate indeed if you read the Wikipedia guidelines on external links, and besides I'm sorry but your page is... well... horrible! and my browser got hanged twice! But that may be my problem, you could argue. However, the Semana Grande is quite well documented in the article, it seems that you didn't read it or even that you don't care, thats why your link is quite suspectful as spam. In short, why do we need here a link to say "The Aste Nagusia starts this saturday" when it is clearly explained in the article WHEN it starts every year and what is all about?David (talk) 10:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• Hello David and thanks for your feedback. Sorry to hear our website is not up to your taste and that you had a problem with your browser. You say the page is horrible. Fine. How do you think we could make it better? Any ideas? Now the fact is that before we've added the external link we've carefully read the article on Bilbao and the Wikipedia:External_links and we thought something was missing although there is a few lines on la Semana Grande. In the external link we've provided, and you've unfortunately removed, there is not only the event on Semana Grande, which is in this page instead, but any event that takes place in Bilbao and users log for free in our website. Why don't you try it yourself and let us know how we can make things better? And before removing the external link, why not giving other users a chance to see for themselves and see what they have to say? David: what would you change to the Bilbao events page you've seen so an external link to it deserve to be added to the existing external links list? Thanks.--QuoVadisLive (talk) 16:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Please, read carefully WP:EL#ADV. If you own the website you should not link to it, as it is considered spamming. About the site itself, please read Wikipedia:Accessibility. And just a technical comment, the page causes a fatal error using IE6 and Windows 2000. Cheers!David (talk) 06:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
• Hi David. Having read the WP:EL once more it seems we've missed that one which was quite big indeed. Well we can only apologise for the inconveniene we might have caused and hope to find other ways to contribute to Wikipedia. BTW thanks for reporting the error. We have already forwarded the matter to our development team. Thanks again and hope to see you soon in our website where your contributions would be very appreciated! Regards,--QuoVadisLive (talk) 10:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Current translation

I think the work being done is positive, as there is some relevant information in the Spanish wiki that was missing... but, some sections had also relevant information in English. The previous Demographics section, for example, had some recent information that is totally missing in the translated text... so why not MERGING instead of plainly translating?David (talk) 07:21, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I am merging, don't worry, everything that was said in English is also said in this translation (check climate, for example). And the Demographics section is just a mistake of mine, i was about the edit the section, but had to do something and accidently saved without adding anything. I will restore the info as soon as I can ;) Fernando Pasc 10:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernando (talk • contribs)

Great Fernando! good job... cheers! David (talk) 11:58, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll start working on it as well. Serioana (talk) 05:15, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Twin cities

[3] Is there any reference about Bilbao's twin cities (particularly Surakarta)?