Talk:Bobov (Hasidic dynasty)

Use of Hebrew

I find the use of untranslated Hebrew in this article quite disturbing. While I have no trouble reading it, other people will have. And the whole purpose of Wikipedia is that everyone should be able to read articles. Untranslated Hebrew is totally out of place, since this is not a chassidishe website but a general encyplopedia. If nobody intervenes, I will b'n, when I have time, start adding English translations of these words. --Daniel575 21:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Daniel; I first thought that you're referring to the main page; but rereading this I now realize that you're referring to this talk page. You're right that Hebrew words should be translated for the benefit of those Wikipedians who don't understand Hebrew; but here the less explained the better Vedai Lechakime berimize (It's enough for the wise with a wink); also here the editing are done by those who have some knowledge of the subject, and believe me; all of them understand Hebrew. But if anybody wants a word translated then enter the word following this paragraph & we'll translate it for you. Issac 18:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I am talking about the article. (Sorry that it took so long until I replied here). Examples:

• " The captives this time included R’ Itchi Leser, who was a באבאווער חסיד, "
• " while the Rebbe was removing his רבינו תם תפילין, "

And a few dates. Such things can be very annoying for non-Hebrew readers. I personally can read it of course, no problem, but others can't, and the purpose of Wikipedia is that anyone should be able to read it. Things such as 'rabbeini Tam tefilin' should be written like this, transliterated. --Daniel575 02:35, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Daniel, I transliterated as much as possible & added links (wherever available) for those that need to look up these Hebrew words. There is still more to do, but I'll leave that for others or for another time. Issac 19:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Just a small comment from a Gentile -- the term "ruv" isn't explained here, and searching for it in Wikipedia brings up an Icelandic radio service, something I don't think is intended... OtherDave (talk) 20:01, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Explaining the Machlokes

Why can't the machlokes be explained fairly and openly? I don't have any opinion on who is right or wrong, but I have no reason to believe that it is not a machlokes leshem shomayim. There is no chilul Hashem involved in fairly describing a machlokes leshem Shomayim. I see here in the discussion that both sides have valid reasons to think that they are correct. I would very much like to see an article that describes both sides and shows how each one is divrei elokim chaim. --Ezra Wax 03:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

If you're looking for divrei Elokim chaim then I'm sorry to tell you that you won't find it here; the machlokes which is one sided and on the bright side of it, very few people are involved in it, is surely not leshem Shomayim and IMO there is no way that it can be written without causing a CH. If the sichsuch (dispute) as I would like to call it, which inadvertently involves all Bobover Chasidim, because without any choice everybody was forced to take a stand; could be explained in a way which describes each side as having an honest opinion, and simply wants to do G-d's will; then maybe you would be right. But this dispute is on the most part an emotional one, not a scholarly one. Do you think that all Bobover Chasidim are scholars? I hate to tell you but even some scholars have followed their hearts not their minds. If the whole story should be told, then I don't want any part in it; what you have seen me write is just the tip of the iceberg. Even though by not having the sichsuch explained it might leave you and others with the impression that one side is more right then the other; I still prefer it not written. Hopefully this sichsuch will quickly pass and will join the dustbin of history among numerous other disputes that have sprung up among people; but don't need to be passed on to posterity. We don't have an article explaining why Slonim split; and even though I'm also curious; it’s better left that way. If it's just a matter of curiosity then it is better that you ask privately both sides to explain to you their stand. Issac 19:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ezra

I agree with Issac, what's the point in airing a dispute that will hopefully, sooner than later, be a Chassidish history footnote. If you're curious for personal reasons, I'll give the nutshell as I see it. Reb Naftulcha who was the last undisputed rav of Bobov left no indication of who should succeed him.

Therefore some belive that as halachic yoresh (inheritor) the child should inherit, as Reb Naftulcha unfortunately had no boys this means Rebbetzin Rubin and Rebbetzin Ungar. And so their respective husbands and their supporters, have in fact a kehila that any Rav would be proud of. Reb Naftulcha's did have a younger brother, Reb Benzion who currently administers the previously existing buildings and schools, and is accepted as Rav by his supporters.

Any story or rumor heard on the street is to be taken with a grain of salt as %90 percent is false and the rest blurred at best.

Hope this helps.

Chaim —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.69.39 (talk) 23:43, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Elections

There have been new developments in the story. According to a Haaretz article, elections have been underway since September. I am unaware of the details, but it seems that the Beis-Din worked out an arrangement to resolve the dispute. The main article should be covering this news. If someone knows what is going on, would you please update the article in an objective manner? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.241.122.59 (talk) 13:38, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Bobov Org Chart

In the Bobov chart you forgot to put in the Bobov Rebbe ztl's sister who was married to Rabbi Twersky in Milwaukee —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.132.38.100 (talk) 18:01, 30 November 2007 (UTC)