Talk:Brazil

Brazil Economy

The economy is now the 6th largest: http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/brazil-overtakes-britain-as-sixth-largest-economy-dpgonc-20111226-kh_16612198 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.125.239.10 (talk) 15:55, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

In which terms? The group that did the reranking needs to clarify their methods. Hcobb (talk) 23:12, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

They need not do anything for Wikipedia. We report what is in our reliable sources, no more, no less. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 07:26, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

The Brazilian economy, is certainly now the 6th largest and this needs to be updated - as it has been on the 'Brazil Economy' wiki page - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16332115 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.114.44.200 (talk) 13:51, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Brazil Gini

Brazil Gini is 49.3 actually. It's decreasing. Correct. Downfall. http://www.rumosustentavel.com.br/desigualdade-e-pobreza-continuaram-caindo-no-brasil-mesmo-com-crise-revela-ipea/

Schieese (talk) 21:11, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Schieese, that`s the gini for 6 metropolitan areas, as clearly stated in the article. If needed, i can explain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marco.natalino (talk • contribs) 05:21, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Italian/ German immigrants

Anonymous,

Frankly, as an outsider (neither Brazilian nor Portuguese), I find it absurd to deny the fact that the "core" of Brazil`s culture derives from Portugal. Indeed, in the seminal "Raízes do Brazil" by Sérgio Buarque de Holanda, one finds the following assertion: "...É de lá [Portugal] que veio a forma atual de nossa cultura; o resto foi se adequando bem ou mal às nossas características..." According to your logic, then places such as Canada or the USA should likewise deny their British cultural origins because of the existence other ethnic communities there (e.g. Germans, Italians, Chinese, etc.)! That makes no sense to me. Dpecego (talk) 17:10, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

I juust reverted some edits from Hanike, since they were more POV then primary source, which usage is risky at best, subjecive at worst. However, the point that there is almost nothing on Italian and German influence in Brazilian culture is certainly valid. Include Japanese as well; walking through liberdade in Sao Paulo one certainly has no feeling of "Portuguese culture" whatsoever, though the article states "The core culture of Brazil is derived from Portuguese culture" (This probably was written by a Portuguese). Bahia (african culture), Sao Paulo (Japanese/ Italian) and apparently the south (where youngsters learn German only????) and probably many more regions have very little connection with Portuguese culture, if at all mostly thru the cuisine (fried doughballs stuffed with codfish- anything else??). Indians in Matto Grosso and the Amazon (40% of national territory) probably wouldnt even recognize Portuguese culture. But little facts here, only impressions- mostly that Brazil is independent and not Portugal`s (cultural) lacky. Anybody agree that this can/ should be improved, and how???

I agree. I think that an article that talks about the Brazilian diversity should consider all the brazilian groups, including indians, africans, mixed, asians, middle east etc etc... There is always this tendency of putting a picture of blonde girls from the south, just because they are beautiful, but they don´t represent the entire brazilian population.

I agree 100% with Dpecego. And i`m brazilian. And a sociologist. Not that it qualifies me for having the last word, I`m here to contribute and learn, too. But there is no doubt, in my mind or in the mind of any brazilian sociologist that i`ve ever read or heard, that our "core" culture is portuguese. That is, of course, open to some misunderstandings, as "portuguese" does not mean "Portugal`s culture as it exists now", and "core culture" does not mean "100% hegemonic". And, of course, "cultures" are not things like footballs or oranges, they are symbolic systems/networks that we can indirectly "see" through language and arts, among other things. Now, we are a land of contrasts and diversity. I would certainly be happier with a text that gave more substance to the huge influence of africans, talking about the yorubas, the kongos, the kabindas, the "moors" etc. The indigenous influence is big, but it tends to be a complicated topic for quick references as the term indigenous is, in itself, too ample in its meaning. I would say 16-20th century german and portuguese cultures were much, much closer to each other than, say, the guaranis and the tukanos. It would be nice to refer to the tupi-guarani group at least, as their language was once the basis for the "lingua franca" of this land.

Now, the other european cultures are overestimated. São Paulo, Curitiba, Porto Alegre, all cities founded by the portuguese. São Paulo is very influenced by the italians and, to a lesser extent, the japanese, but the simple fact that these groups have ethnic neighbourhoods (liberdade, mooca) shows how they were not, and are not, in any extent, the "core" of the city life. The "south" (where i lived for 9 years) is very influenced by the italians and germans, but only a very small minority speaks german only, and these folks are getting old. Kids are bilingual in many small cities. Lovely places, sure, i have fond memories of a few italian and germanic cultural regions, but they are not the cultural "core" of the southern region as a whole: I would say, actually, that the spanish/portuguese frontier "gaucho" culture is way older and more widespread in terms of language, population and architecture that all other immigrants combined.

The "north" is, indeed, very, very influenced by indigenous groups (I would say less so than bahia and sergipe are by africans), but, apart from very small isolated groups, they all "know" portuguese culture. Then, of course, a larger group (1 million, aprox.) are mainly influenced by indigenous cultures, but, as much as I think it is fascinating and makes me somewhat proud of my country, it does not allow me to call them what they are not, that is, the core of brazilian culture. Let`s call things what they are. I would be somewhat more open to discuss the fact that brazilian culture is, today, more influenced by "western", "anglo-saxon" culture, but then we would get on a debate about "authenticity" that, i fear, would get us nowhere.

Sorry for writing so much here and with so little specific suggestions. I hope I can contribute in the future, but by now I don`t see the need. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marco.natalino (talk • contribs) 21:57, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request

I would like to include the ranking next to the GDP in the "Infobox country".

GDP_nominal_rank = 7th (or 8th depending on the source)

The size of this article

It is strange that an article on Galicia has 17 sections, while this one is so much shorter... Is there so little to say about Brazil? --Betty VH (talk) 11:52, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you, there isn't an education section like other's countries articles have... 201.29.246.88 (talk) 00:39, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe pt:Brasil (pt:Brasil#Educação) and Education in Brazil (pt:Educação no Brasil) would be useful? 99.181.131.215 (talk) 00:21, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

potential Forbes.com resource

Lots Of Reasons To Love Brazil Again by Sy Harding. 99.181.131.215 (talk) 00:16, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

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Edit request on 24 January 2012

Edisoncm (talk) 08:50, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

N Not done, unless you have a better source than the World Bank and the CIA--Jac16888 ^Talk 10:07, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Current nominal per capita is wrong, link is broken

Correct nominal per capita for 2011 from IMF is 12,916.904. Check here http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2011/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=45&pr.y=14&sy=2011&ey=2011&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=223&s=NGDPDPC&grp=0&a= Present data is currently wrong and with a broken source link. Soulflytribe (talk) 08:57, 1 March 2012 (UTC)