Talk:Cannibalism

Sensory warfare

It is a form of alternative sensory warfare used to humiliate enemies, practiced in front of survivors to intimidate them.(see: "Sensory Worlds in Early America")

Where's The Evidence

It seems the only "evidence" of cannibalism presented in Melanesia and on the African continent are hearsay and literature by sensationalist bigots. The sources for citations are from YouTube and amateur websites that don't show any physical evidence. I know, I went to those sites. I watched the YouTube video of Liberia for at least a few seconds of someone being caught in the act. The best they had was some kids mouthing off about human flesh, denials from military leaders, and people cutting body parts out with no identifiable reasons other than mutilation of "the enemy". There's numerous suspected evidence of cannibalism all over the European peninsula (including very specific marks on literally thousands of bones) and the only place in Africa with any evidence of cannibalism is in Egypt, where the people went through a period of famine and later wrote about it. Even the Egyptian cannibalism account(s) have not been corroborated. This article reeks of intentional racism, like too many of the articles on Wikipedia. This "article" is riddled with superfluously leading language. If these so-called primitive peoples have done so much people eating, where is the physical evidence? So far, it does not exist. These are almost always fabrications by angry hate-filled bigots who seek excuses to murder and control more peaceful peoples (although the video is of a civil war) who live life differently and a few lying locals trying to vilify rivals. It's not at all a shock how easy it is for certain groups of people to immediately believe lies about cultures of which they have zero understand and near zero knowledge. Magunz (talk) 07:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

The BBC and Journeyman Pictures are sensationalist bigots? Did you go on to the rest of the sources, such as the Smithsonian? Do you have any reliable sources for your statements regarding Europe? If so, we'll incorporate it into the article. Could you provide reliable sources which demonstrate that the African cannibalism claims are false? Reverse racism is racism as well, but simply summarizing what sources say is just summarizing what sources say. Give us sources countering the African cannibalism sources, give us sources demonstrating that cannibalism occurs in Europe, and then you'll have the right to decry supposed racism. Until then, you're just gonna come off as a troll. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:29, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

The BBC is one of the most slanted news organizations in the world. That much has been a constant for many decades. You people seem to go to great efforts to display African cannibalism, yet you want ME to go give you sources for Europe that you should already have researched on your own. It's obvious your kind has never been honest and concerned with truth. Choose your sources better instead of trying to fill pages to feel good about yourselves. Try to show at least a sliver of academic honesty. "Reverse racism is still racism". Thank you for your poorly chosen childish childishly irrelevant statement. The real point was the complete lack of physical evidence, you failed to grasp this exceedingly simply premise. Statements from third, fourth, fifth, etc parties. I'll provide a few sources and let you children research on your own, though you most likely will not. Anything said about Africa by a non African (and Africans alike) should be taken with extreme skepticism -- at least by the intelligent. There's a huge lack of information transcribed for Africa in seemingly all but the negative articles, even when the information is easy to come by. I know, I have looked. There's a clear pattern of racism on this site I chose to address, while you choose to defend it. All you have to do is be fair and balanced and you cannot even do that. Cannibalism in Africa based on a YouTube video that at worst shows corpse mutilation (which is still pretty bad) and a single website of quotes by (hopefully) long dead racists. It is not at all unexpected. It's in your culture, religion, and lifestyle. It's who you are historically. I have the right to "decry racism" regardless of whether or not I provide sources. I do more than enough research to vindicate myself to myself. I am above reproach by those of your standing. Despite there being an overwhelming amount of physical evidence illustrating European cannibalism in it's prehistoric to industrial past, people are still shoving hearsay accounts of Africa in everyone's face, regardless of having no physical evidence -- including bone markings that are found all over Europe. Your Smithsonian argument is invalid. New Guinea is not within Africa or its surrounding territories.

Due to my magnanimous nature, I will bless you with a few sources and phrases:

Europe Egyption Mummy Medicine

Europe Bones Cannibalism

Greece Cannibalism

Europe Bone Markings Cannibalism

Medieval Europe Cut Bone Cannibalism

Middle Ages Europe Cannibalism

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2101801/

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,604548,00.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/evidence-of-mass-cannibalism-uncovered-in-germany-1835341.html

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/exploration/news/news_cannibalism_pt2.htm

http://www.isn.ethz.ch/isn/Current-Affairs/Security-Watch-Archive/Detail/?lng=en&id=112476

http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/cannibalism-in-Europe1.jpg

http://www.physorg.com/news168867939.html

http://www.opendemocracy.net/jen-paton/europe-and-its-cannibals

Magunz (talk) 02:43, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Two People in Dutch TV Show Ate Each Other's Meat

In the Dutch BNN program Proefkonijnen (broadcast December 21st, 2011; link), presenters Valerio Zeno and Dennis Storm ate tiny pieces of meat (muscle) of each other that were surgically removed (buttocks Storm, abdomen Zeno; detailed footage of the operation can be seen in the broadcast) and prepared by Lex Kok during the broadcast. Lawyer Gerard Spong, who was also present, said everyone involved (including BNN) is prosecutable. --82.171.13.139 (talk) 18:13, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

According to [1], Spong said, "Only when it involves maltreatment or when it violates common decency is cannibalism illegal". Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 08:10, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Starting 14:11 he says: "All things considered, what you're doing is prosecutable, very formally reasoned. And the surgeon is prosecutable, you as eaters are prosecutable, the cook is prosecutable and ultimately BNN is also prosecutable as the instigator, because they have obviously orchestrated the whole 'party'." (Dutch: "Wat jullie doen is eigenlijk strafbaar, heel formeel geredeneerd. En de chirurg is strafbaar, jullie als eters zijn strafbaar, de kok is strafbaar en uiteindelijk is BNN ook strafbaar als uitlokker, want die heeft dat hele feestje natuurlijk geënsceneerd.") Then he goes into what the (maximum) penalties are. Anyways, the reason I mentioned the BNN broadcast is because it's not yet mentioned in the article (and neither had anyone mentioned it on this Talk page). --82.171.13.139 (talk) 22:18, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

On 3 February 2012, the current Dutch minister of OCW, Marja van Bijsterveldt has in a reply to a parliamentary question stated that "Kannibalisme is als zodanig niet strafbaar." which roughly translates to "Cannibalism in and of itself is not an offense." Source is here, a parliamentary paper that is hosted at Rijksoverheid.nl, the official website of the Dutch national government. --82.171.13.139 (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Predatory control theory controversial?

According to the article Why do People Sing? Music in Human Evolution#controversies the predatory control theory of cannibalism is controversial and not accepted by mainstream scholars. Unfortunately, the article does not cite references but it sounds correct. If this theory is controversial it would be a good idea to include a sentence in Cannibalism#Cannibalism as an evolutionary strategy of predator control noting that Jordania's theory is regarded as speculative and not supported by most scholars to avoid giving this theory undue weight. --Smcg8374 (talk) 12:50, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to make changes as you see fit. Vranak (talk) 14:50, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Joseph Jordania#Cannibalism as a predator control mechanism in hominids and early humans has apparently relevant cites. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:02, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Cannibalism justification for slavery?

I would question whether "allegations of cannibalism were used by the colonial powers to justify the enslavement of what were seen as primitive peoples". Cannibalism may have been used as justification for introducing Christianity, but slavery I would question. Any authority for this claim?124.197.15.138 (talk) 19:28, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

If you read the rest of the article, it says "Queen Isabella of Spain decreed that Spanish colonists could only legally enslave natives who were cannibals, giving the colonists an economic interest in making such allegations," citing as a source "Brief history of cannibal controversies" by David F. Salisbury, of Vanderbuilt University. The introduction is a summary of the article, and finer points are covered elsewhere (or else we would not have the rest of the article). Ian.thomson (talk) 19:38, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

False Time Period About Pope IV

The 16th century's time period was from 1501 to 1600. Pope Innocent IV lived from 1195-1254. How could Pope Innocent IV make a claim that Cannibalism was a sin in the 16th century when he wasn't even born? This information is false. Someone needs to research this information and correct it.

-Ryan Rakowski, Filmmaker/College Film Student. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakowskr (talk • contribs) 18:52, 10 February 2012 (UTC)