Talk:Charles, Prince of Wales

Edit request from , 13 November 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Under the headline "Philosophies and religious beliefs" at the end of the section saying

"Sir Laurens van der Post became a friend of Charles in 1977, a relationship which led him to be dubbed the "guru to Prince Charles", and made godfather to Charles' son, Prince William. From him, the Prince of Wales developed a focus on philosophy, especially that of Asian and Middle Eastern nations, and New Age theology, praising Kabbalistic artworks,[70] and penning a memorial for Kathleen Raine, the Neoplatonist poet, who died in 2003.[71]

The following information should be added:

"In connection to this his interest in the thoughts of René Guénon and other exponents of the Traditionalist School of thought and Perennial philosophy should be mentioned. In 2006, for instance, he gave an introductory speech for a Sacred Web conference.

Source: Video: http://www.sacredweb.com/conference06/conference_introduction_video.html Text: http://www.sacredweb.com/conference06/conference_introduction.html

Commentator1983 (talk) 22:32, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Not done for now, because that doesn't look like a reliable source. If you disagree, please feel free to discuss if further below and/or ask on WP:RSN. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  22:33, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Why is it not a reliable source? This is a quote from his speech:

"Temenos Academy and Sacred Web are also, of course, dedicated to an exploration of the role of Tradition in the modern world, the subject of this Conference, and, indeed, to a critique of the false premises of Modernity – a critique set out in one of the seminal texts of the traditionalists, René Guénon’s The Reign of Quantity.

Many find this teaching difficult, not least because it asks us to question our very mode of being; and perhaps because it asks us to question an ideology, in the form of Modernism, that has become so set in our minds that any other way of being seems in some sense fanciful and 'unrealistic'."

And you can verify that he actually said so just listening to his speech following the link to the video I gave in my first contribution on the subject.

The use of "The Prince Charles" in article opening

I am arguing that the short form of a British royal prince or princess in the opening of the article should include the "The" where applicable, as in "The Prince Charles." I argue that this is distinctive and meaningful as indicated on the British Monarchy's website. I would not, however, include HRH in the opening as this would be like using "Mr" which is not consistent with Wikipedia style as that is purely an honorific. The use of "The" indicates that the prince is a child of the monarch.

The use of "The" is not simply an honorific.

The royal website doesn't use it[1]. We don't need to either. It is an unnecessary distraction for the lead, and per MOS:HONORIFIC should not be used in the article body, but may be discussed as part of his title and style at a relevant place in the article. DrKiernan (talk) 20:12, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

The Royal website does indeed use it, though not consistently, and this is standard practice. I think it's important to remember that the use of "The" is not required, but is meaningful to the title and does exist as part of it.

True, it is not incorrect to say "Prince Charles." However, it is more correct, or formal, to say "The Prince Charles," as this indicates that the individual is a child of the monarch. This is integral to the full princely title and I believe that the name used in the opening should be informative on this point. To the contrary, Charles' son, Prince William, is not The Prince WIlliam. I think it's useful to indicate this distinction where it does exist.

'Due to the insistence of the royal family'

This section just sounds dumb, it sounds like someone is shouting HOW DARE THEY INSIST THEY CHOOSE TO BE CALLED SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT!!!!1111 The way ancestry is handled in Prince William's article is much better.