Talk:Chera Dynasty

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Should'nt the succeeding States of Cheras be Zamorins, Kochi and Travancore( prominent among rather multitude of States that were formed after the fall of the chera empire in the 12th Century).Although the hoysala and Vijaynagar kings had conquered parts of the earlier "Chera areas", the chera kingdom broke up into many small Feudal kingdoms( "nattu rajyam")activevoid 20:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge Chera Kingdom with this??

Looks like the articles are very similar (not completely identical)... The contemporary Chola kingdom is described in Chola dynasty, while the Chola Kingdom is about the epic kingdom in Mahabharata. I think Chera Kingdom should redirect here Sadalmelik 17:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Dravidian civilizations

Wiki Raja 09:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Edits on December 12, 2007

Can somebody review on edits happened on December 12. I felt there is serious flaws on the edits.

Sentences like "Evidence for extensive foreign trade from ancient times is available throughout the Malabar coast, from the Roman, Greek and Arabic coins unearthed from Kollam, Kodungallur, Eyyal (near Trissur) in Northern Kerala"

are changed to

"Evidence for extensive foreign trade from ancient times is available throughout Kongu Nadu, Coimbatore, Palani, Karur, Salem and Dharmapuri"

I had placed a {{primarysources}} and {{confusing}} tags and that has been removed. Please confirm so that the actual revision can be restored. Thank You. P|^|C (talk) 09:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Removed POV Template

Removed POV template showing the kingdoms of Northern India as Empires, and kingdoms of Southern India as dynasties. No evidence as to whether all Northern kingdoms were Empires, while all Southern kingdoms were dynasties. Ashoka kingdom of Northern India is an Empire since it has controlled everything in South Asia outside its boundaries accept for Tamil Nadu, Kerala, and Sri Lanka. While the Cholas of Southern India is also an Empire stretching from South India to Sri Lanka, Maldives, Malaysia, Sumatra, and Java with its Navies. "Middle Kingdoms of India" template shows only bias towards Indo-Aryan kingdoms, and also making it seem that the Indian Union existed for thousands of years. Wiki Raja (talk) 06:54, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

NonSense

"'Purananuru' refers to Udiyan Cheral, who probably ruled in the first century CE. It is said that he fed the rival armies during the war of Mahabharata. Imayavaramban Neduncheralathan, another Sangam age king claimed to have conquered up to the Himalayas and to have inscribed his emblem in the face of the mountains. Senguttuvan was another famous Chera, whose contemporary Gajabahu II of Lanka according to Mahavamsa visited the Chera country.[6]"

This is just a nonsense cause if Udiyan Cheral was known to have ruled first century CE he can not possibly serve food in the Mahabaratha time which happened or was written to be before Christ. --Challiyan (talk) 12:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Cheras and Pandyas both belong to the Villavar-Meenavar of Dravidian stock.During Mahabharatha times,around 1500 BC a prehistoric Pandya Kingdomdid exist and the flag of the kingdom was having Bow and arrow emblem. The king was kalled Saranga Dwajan meaning Bow flagged king. Similarly like the Malayaman flag of latter age Malayamantribe the another king from Pandya kingdom was called Malaya Dwaja(Hill Flagged king).Fish(Meen) Hill(Malai) and Bow and Arrow (Vil) seem to the ancient emblems of Villavar(Chera)MeenavarPandyan Kings. [1].The Dravidian kingdoms are many thousand years old though History is available only from the Sangha age ie since 500 BC.Another Utiyan Cheral could have lived during the Mahabharata period.Since the ancient Pandya Kingdom encompassed all the areas from Udupi(Gokarna) in Karnataka,Kerala and Tamil Nadu according to Mahabharata the Chera king was perhaps under the tutelage of Pandya king that time.Mahabharatha is a precious document of Indian history. Vilmeenkodi (talk) 18:58, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Tamil Or Malayalam

According to Eminent linguists like the great poet Ulloor, Malayalam has characteristics of an older language than "Paanti Tamizh". Tamizh meant language, and modern Tamil was referred to as "Paanti Tamizh". Malayalam was referred to as "Malanaattu Tamizh". Tulu was referred to as "Tulunaattu Tamizh". Kannada was referred to as "Karunaattu Tamizh".

Hermann Gundert referred to the ancient South Indian language as "Dramilam". So, how is Chera Dynasty "Tamil Dynasty"? Is not it Old Malayalam Dynasty? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Appu2000 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Down with Tamil extremism. 160.80.2.8 (talk) 15:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Sangam Cheras are Tamils and not "Malayali"

There is difference between the two dynasties. They are in no way connected. This problem arises because in TN we know the diff. between Sangam, Medievel and later Cholas and Pandyas. In Kerala's history, no such long living dynasty existed.

The Kerala Varmas were in no way inferior. Remember Keralolpatti which says that the Cheras were from "paradesam" esp. east of Kerala-Malayalam which could be accessed only thro the Nerumangalam pass. I dony say that K has no history. I rather say that Kerala always was diff from "Tamilakam"..it is Koduntamizh mandalam as specified. Please read thurston K.Ulpatti,K.Vakshakramam and K.Mahatmyam for more insight. PS I am not the one the above post is referring to Konguboy (talk) 16:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

All I am saying is that before you rewrite the entire article, discuss every section properly here. Axxn (talk) 17:18, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Sangam age Cheras were of course Tamils, Malayalam was not even born in the Sangam era. The connection between the Later and Sangam age Cheras is well authorized by historians. And finally, you cant just add Tamil racism here. (Rameez pp (talk) 18:01, 26 April 2011 (UTC))

I can see that the user Konguboy has been blocked multiple times earlier also for adding similar POV and ethnic hatred (Eg. here). So I am reverting his edits. If he blanks the sections again, I am going to ANI. Chandrakantha.Mannadiar (talk) 18:17, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

>>you cant just add Tamil racism here Again, i plead you to read K. Ulpatti, K. Vakshakramam and K. Mahatmyam with Edgar Thurstond section on Namputhiris. Sangunni Menon is not an archeologist while Nagaswami is. Also remember that Malayala and Kerala desams r distinct.

@ C. Mannadiar. I can also do the same. See ur talk page for example. Be academic. This is not a cat and mouse game. What I said is from K. Ulpatti itself and not some Tamil racial text.

@ all. See this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CheraKonguboy (talk) 08:41, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Note: This user Konguboy is adding and deleting articles like Chera Nadu Muziris Cheraman Perumal (Nayanar) Cheraman Perumal Tyndis Vanchi Muthur Kulashekhara Alwar

also, with no mercy along with this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.117.210.248 (talk) 17:42, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

For people involved in this. User konguboy and other IPs are socks of the indef blocked sock master User:PONDHEEPANKAR. He uses a variety of socks and three ip ranges - 59.96.26.14/20, 117.206.96.0/20 and 59.92.112.0/20. Please ignore him and revert on sight. If you find any more accounts repeating this behaviour file an WP:SPI--Sodabottle (talk) 10:34, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

IP edit warring with multiple editors including Sodabottle

117.206.107.58 stop edit warring and come here now before you get blocked--Lerdthenerd wiki defender 09:00, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting him .This is the indef blocked sockmaster and pov pusher PONDHEEPANKAR. per WP:DENY dont talk to him, just revert without pause. This ip range was blocked for a week and it expired yesterday. So he is back to his old activities. Just revert him and ignore him.--Sodabottle (talk) 09:02, 13 May 2011 (UTC)