Talk:Chinese Exclusion Act

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was don't move, twice. Before reopening this debate yet again, think. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 13:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Chinese Exclusion Act (United States) → Chinese Exclusion Act (Apr 2006)

• Chinese Exclusion Act is now a disambig, linking to similar U.S. and Canadian laws, however only one of them was formally named the Chinese Exclusion Act, while the Canadian law had a different title, and may have been informally referred to as the "Chinese Exclusion Act." Please, stick with formal names here.

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• OPPOSE This already was voted on. 70.51.11.101 23:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

NOTE: The below discussion is from February 2005; the April 2006 discussion should be above this line.

Chinese Exclusion Act (United States) → Chinese Exclusion Act (Feb 2005)

Absurd redirect; no other nation has had a "Chinese Exclusion Act"; apparently the other meaning is a "nickname coined by the Chinese-Canadian community" for the Chinese Immigration Act. Neutrality^talk 06:50, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)

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• Just a note to say that the name "Chinese Exclusion Act" suggests that it is an "Exclusion Act" that is Chinese, jguk 10:15, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose the common name of the Canadian Chinese Immigration Act is the "Chinese Exclusion Act." - SimonP 04:44, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose Agree with SimonP BlankVerse 09:53, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Support. We don't typically disambiguate between an official name and a nickname, especially when the former is the better known. →Raul654 06:48, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose better known? The Chinese Immigration Act of Canada excluded Chinese almost entirely, while the Chinese Exclusion Act of the US just limited immigration, so the effect of thw two laws is most like the name of the other one. 70.51.11.101 22:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

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IT WAS ILLEGAL FOR CHINESE WOMEN TO IMMIGRATE UNDER CHINESE LAW Until 1912 Chinese women were not free to immigrate under Qing Law. Exceptions were made by Qing officials for female slaves and servants who were imported by their Chinese owners; as well as for merchant's and diplomat's wives. The statement in the article sounds like it was the United States restricting Chinese women from joining their husbands and creating a family in the United States. This article is not scholarly and much of the information is incorrect and the analyses (opinions) are likewise flawed. This article needs to be completely rehauled. --Tintle (talk) 14:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

chinese representation in the US

I deleted from the article this sentence: "It is also one of the primary reasons for why Chinese-Americans are slightly underrepresented in the United States (2% of the population) relative to the Han ethnic group's total percentage of the human species' population (about 20%)."

the US has never purported to represent the entire global population, only US population. So the fact that 20% of the globe's population is Han Chinese has no relevance to US representation.

Just a question about the national quota

I dont really think that the national quota was 105 immigrants but i dont know how much it really was so if someone could get that information.So Pro Lah 05:26, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

There is some apparent confusion here, I agree. If Chinese were excluded until the Act was repealed, then how is it that 70% of the hundreds of thousands of immigrants between 1910 and 1940 were allowed to remain? This apparent contradition should be explained in the article. -Jmh123 15:53, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, this is confusing. This article needs to be longer and more detailed, it is a very important, if sad and little known part of US history. It deserves a much longer and more in-depth article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Encephalomaniac (talk • contribs) 03:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Restrictive immigration policies not limited to countries listed

The United States was not the only country to have racially restrictive immigration policies.

China itself had had strict anti-foreigner laws, which were only slackened as a result of concessions forced by the European Powers after the Opium Wars. Immigration of foreign nationals today remains extremely difficult, should they choose to try (unless - perhaps? - they are of Han race). I don't think it's fair to single out "white" countries about restrictive immigration policies when all major states have had them, especially imperial ones; Japan, China, Bali, Thailand, the Ottoman Sultanate, and others. And even once admitted to such a state, strict policies on behaviour, locations of residence and type of profession, inheritance and more; not very much unlike the US, Canada or Australia, and in many cases (especially imperial China's, and Maoist China's) far worse. Skookum1 02:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

and then they were all like sup?

Skookum, you talk like a racist. Why do you single out Imperial China now? Because it's Chinese and the article is about racism towards ethnical chinese in new world colonies? Should we also add that the vile negroe Othello viciously strangled Desdemone in the articles on appartheid? Thehairthatdidntgrow 21:13, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

i agree with skookum, a little perspective on the times would be welcome. the taiping rebellion was an attack against mostly white people by chinese which occured in the decades prior to the chinese exclusion acts. it should be included in the background. also we should include how difficult it is for people to immigrate into china, even today. 69.110.2.8 (talk) 05:20, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Your facts are completely wrong. The Taiping Rebellion was against the Qing Dynasty. And due to the Christian nature of the Taiping rebels, they actually embraced Westerners. Western Mercs, however, fought along side the Qing army because they believed Taiping's version of Christianity was heresy.69.86.213.132 (talk) 04:40, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that Imperial Chinese immigration policy is relevant to this article. China didn't invite in large numbers of Europeans to build railroads only to pull the rug out from under them. The white people that did come to China were not there to work, but to dominate. The Chinese Exclusion Act had absolutely nothing to do with Americans not being able to immigrate to China and being upset about it. Comparing the two immigration policies is totally irrelevant to this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Encephalomaniac (talk • contribs) 03:05, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

The biggest difference is that the United States IS a country based almost entirely on immigration while China is anything but. China is not easy to immigrate to for all countries whereas the US singled out the Chinese. It was a racist policy against the Chinese, pure and simple. 69.86.214.213 (talk) 00:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

removed link

I just removed this link from the article page because it lists no actual content, but if anyone wanted to go to the archives to photocopy original documents for inclusion here it might be helpful. Calliopejen1 07:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Chinese And Chinese Americans The National Archives-Pacific Region holds records of the Honolulu and San Francisco offices of the Immigration and Naturalization Service pertaining to Chinese immigration.

How Did this get through congress?

Will someone answer me this, the the fuck did a bill called the "Chinese Exclusion Act" get through congress w/o public dissent/ coup? were we that fucked up back then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.188.176 (talk) 23:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Yes, we were. --Lquilter (talk) 00:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, as a matter of fact, this is one of many examples of the racist history of the United States. Kingturtle (talk) 01:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

There is no such Congressional Bill called the "Chinese Exlusion Act" - that is a nickname that has made it into mainstream usage. The document people are referring to was an ammendment to an 1868 treaty and its title is "To execute certain treaty stipulations relating to China." It did not exclude Chinese from entering the United States. It regulated immigration. Chinese women were not free to immigrate at will under Chinese laws, not under United States laws.--Tintle (talk) 14:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Because most Americans supported it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alcuin1 (talk • contribs) 13:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Not racially motivated?

The source cited to support the line that "the Act was not racially motivated" in fact claims the exact opposite. I am removing this line as most likely subtle vandalism. Subdolous (talk) 23:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

US GOV should apologize for this crime

All minority groups should join force to push US gov to apologize this discrimination they committed. so the equal protection can be a real protection to all minority groups. And also some state laws still have content to ban immigrants of other ethic people, this should be stopped. --

Really? And is China going to apologize for all the foreigners killed when China had laws ordering the execution of any foreigners found trying to enter the Middle Realm? For all the foreigners (mostly unarmed missionaries who put up no resistance) killed in the Taiping and Boxer Rebellions? For the killing of non-Han since China "consolidated its borders" by overriding local sovereignty in Tibet and Eastern Turkestan? For the killing of Tibetans in Tibet? For the killing of prisoners so as to extract their organs for re-sale? How easy it is to accuse another nation of crimes as a way to keep from having to talk about your own.....Skookum1 (talk) 01:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to pick up an old discussion.

Skookumi: your comparison is illogical. What is wrong is wrong. The Chinese Exclusion Act was a racist and discriminatory act. The government responsible for it needs to apologize for it, regardless whether other governments in human history have apologized for their own crimes.

(By the way, why should the current Chinese government, established in 1949, apologizes for the Boxer Rebellion, an event that took place prior to its own existence? Just one example of your illogicality.) 99.25.25.84 (talk) 08:33, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

By that logic, the current German government has no responsibility to apologize or atone for the Holocaust, since that happened before its own existence. 108.8.58.23 (talk) 14:45, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

a very pov article

this needs some real cleanup, looks like some nationalists are here repeating the propoganda they were indoctrinated with as children.

"took up low end wage labor such as restaurant work and laundry", weren't they also the owners of these businesses?

69.110.2.8 (talk) 05:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)