Talk:Christian right

Separation of Church and State Section -- Needs to be Re-Done

The section on "Separation of Church and State" should be re-done. First, the Section is not (fully) written from a neutral standpoint. The Article section says at one point: "Christian Right believes in X, even though writings suggest not X." Writings suggest? Who says they suggest this? The writings could be open to multiple interpretations. The point should be re-phrased so that it is given from a more neutral standpoint. It should instead say that, scholar X or scholar Y, or that some people, believe the writings suggest otherwise. Second, the section says, "Because the Christian right does not believe in separation of Church and State..." This is ambiguous and, I fear, is also quite wrong. It is ambiguous because it fails to address that there are two things going on: Separation of Church and State as a matter of Constitutional Interpretation, and Separation of Church and State as a political belief. And if the claim is the Christian Right doesn't believe in it as a Constitutional Interpretation, that's a huge overstatement to make. The Christian Right is not suggesting it doesn't exist; it merely suggests that its scope is more limited than others believe. The Christian Right is not suggesting the Constitution would allow for the government to be run by Mullahs or Priests. And if the claim is about the Christian Right's political belief of not believing in separation of Church and State.. well, Really? So the Christian right wants to have a theocracy like you seen in Iran? A few extremists might hold this view, but it is not held by the Christian Right generally. The Christian Right believes the Ten Commandments should be allowed to be displayed in Courts and that prayer time should be allowed in public schools. To equate this with not believing in Separation of Church and State is making way too big of a leap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.27.165.9 (talk) 02:23, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

That all this is your opinion just. Its not any less or more valid than anybody else's as you have absolutely no citations to back up any of your things. There have been various statements made that CaS separation is a myth by Christ right figures. You can't either deny that, do you?!? You mainly only seek to define what such disbelief means. You make delineations between different types of CaS separation disbelief out of thin-air. And you do this without any sources. Instead of such, you employ what they call I believe "non-sequitors". No one has here has made edits supporting a clear comparison of the Christ right with Muslim figures in the Mid-East to be exact. But just because they are not that, doesn't change their disbelief in the CaS separation.

Both of you faggots should can it. Really articles like this should probably be trashed mostly because it describes a fully abstract idea that is not founded well in any true scholerly research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.137.190.52 (talk) 01:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I am a third party to the discussion but let me say this. In all candor, you "Anon" are a very rude person. You have no business telling anyone to do anything. No one solicited your opinion in the first place. And your use of slurs only further illustrates your lack of class. It shows a lack of courage to speak in such a way with an anonymous address. And invoking such intellectual terms as "scholarly research" are absolutely hilarious when one researches your own history and finds your anonymous address has made only one edit, this one above. Thus you lack any evidence to show that you have any understand of the words you type. You jut are very fortunate that you weren't talking to me in the first place!4.252.212.184 (talk) 23:34, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

disputed neutrality

I do not think this quote is npov "It promotes conservative or literal interpretations of the Bible as the basis for moral values, and enforcing such values by legislation.

Therefore, it opposes federal funding of science. They feel science often contradicts the Bible, especially fields that they feel violate the right to life"

The reason is it implies a conservative or literal interpretation of the bible leads to conservative politics. This needs proof. Alternatively a less ambitious project would be just to show, through citation, that the religious right believe that a conservative or literal translation of the bible mandates right wing policies. Also there needs to be a citation if you are to say they oppose federal funding for science (and have they done this repeatedly?). The last sentence is not npov.—Preceding unsigned comment added by128.163.161.87 (talk) 16:25, 20 August 2010 (UTC) From the opening photo this articles trys to portray conservative christians as ignorant.This is proabably one of the worst articles I ve yet to see on wiki and needs to be torn down and started again.I cannot stress just how awful this article acutally is.It is an insult to those of who love jesus and dont side with democratic party.I cannot believe that this sort of garbage has been allowed to continue.Unless I can acutally see the christian point of view acuratetly portrayed in this article then it needs to go.Wikipedia is not a place for you to bash those you disagree with.Wikimakesmart (talk) 23:56, 26 August 2010 (UTC)One might think that you don't need to talk in such a mannor.It is no good to spead such bad meanness.Plus this is only one website and while as it is popular, it is hardly the only and final word on most any subject. If you find this place not to your liking there are always other such similar places. Perhaps you might care for Conservapedia better? To be sure, it is not my place as a new person to welcome of bannish you from anywhere.However, I think this place needs to be where different person can agree on things as a group. That is what I mean when I caution you about your words.For me, I can say as a Christian, that in my opinion, this article is not as bad as you say it is.Perhaps you should even put your religion above your politics. Christ is more important than anything, inculding a election.Mixing the two can lead to bad things like you want, in my home country this has happen.Waitesson (talk) 20:07, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if that comment was directed at me. My suggestions were merely honest suggestions for improvement. When I'm reading this article i want to know 1. what is their beliefs 2. what is their history and how did they evolve. 3. what is the theological and philisophical justification for their beliefs. 4. what are theological and philisophical critiques of their beliefs. Much of this is missing and I think these are the key questions that should organize the article. At the moment the article misses all the academic points of interest and merely paints them scandolously (obviously they are controversial and why they are should be covered in point 4). For me for example, I'm a christian from another country who tends left on the political spectrum and i went to this article trying to get some information on why american christian conservatives were against say free health care and cap and trade. Is it theological opposition? Is it philisophical? Is it deeply rooted traditions? I have heard mention of 1 thess 3:20 "those who do not work should not eat" to critique the social welfare state from a american conservative. Presumably a theological discussion would include this. Is there someone knowledgeable on this subject that can help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.163.229.151 (talk) 21:41, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

backing up a claim

The claim that the religious right started not with roe verse wade, but with anti-segregation laws, is an interesting one. Is there more to back it up than one quote? Also some research on how the religious right developed after roe verse wade would be good. Also it is my understanding that the religious right technically goes back to the french revolution?

Before the revolution there were many. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_homosexuality

A more detailed history would be good (there are more countries in the world than the usa :P). Also a summary of their theological basis would be good to as well as a summary of criticisms of their theology. I'm a little flakey on what i know about their theology but i believe it goes something like this:

theological opposition to the welfare state: "those who don't work should not eat" theological opposition to government programs: "giving should be private (scriptures..." theological opposition to labor unions, financial regulations: no idea lol etc.

then presumably the theological criticism would be based on tzedakah laws (where the law required giving to the poor, through pe'ah also through a 10% offering given every third year not to be confused with the tithe), verse where paul says there should be equality etc. you get the idea. Considering this is a christian issue i just think there should be theological summaries here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.163.161.87 (talk) 16:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

On that one point, I am afraid you are being mistaken, sir or madam. It is not one quote, no. It is an entire book with quotes that are many from the leading "Christian right" figures of the day at the time. Look more carefully there maybe? The book, as I know it, has never been questioned in terms of the authentic / accuracy of the sourcing of the quotations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.252.208.60 (talk) 02:01, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Tithing as charity is not limited to only those who do not work but is also for the greater good of society. See in Deuteronomy, Christians are directed to not only give ten percent of their income, but to give their first and their best. This means Christians should strive to not only pay or take out tithes upon receiving your paycheck, but to always put God above your bills and other responsibilities.

So God is a directive to follow, not a specific charity. God in and of itself is a practice and belief. Extending such goes beyond that which we are able to appreciate the image. Tithing is not limited to humans. For we shall give unto other animals that sustain us but not unto other humans who seek to overcome.

oxymoron

There is no such thing as a right-wing christian. Christ was liberal. In the miracle of the loaves and fishes, he didn't say, give the fish to the $2500 a person table, the cheap seats can have bread. Did Jesus tell the Emperor to take fish from those who could afford fish and give fish to those who couldn't or did he perform a miracle?)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.94.176.22 (talk) 05:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Yet, there are millions of radical Fundamentalist Christians who are conservatives. If someone calls himself a Christian, he is a Christian. Claiming that "Everyone who isn't exactly what I think a Christian should be isn't a Christian" is biased and should have no part in this article. InterwebUsr (talk) 20:25, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Or there is the possibility that we hold to holding ppl to personal responsibility, preserving moral standards, or just want to make our voices heard and the church happens to be an excellent rallying point (see civil rights movement Rev. Martin Luther King). All of these are possible, and to categorize Christ as "liberal" or "conservative" is trying label God with human traits (or if you're an atheist, a figment of my imagination which I need to ignore). Soxwon (talk) 00:27, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, preserving (and trying to codify in law) moral standards such as misogyny, homophobia and racism...and diluting/eliminating regulations on business so white collar wrongdoers can escape personal responsibility...oh, and trying to teach contempt for the poor and meek, and foist on your children the incorrect notion that those who need aid for health care, education, etc. must obviously be lazy and/or criminals. True, MLK did use his church as a rallying point. He used it as a rallying point to promote policies to promote the humanity and rights of ALL ppl--you "Christian Conservatives", however, use your beliefs as a rallying point for ppl to embrace their inner bigot and use religion to diminish the humanity and rights of those who aren't like you and to promote hate against them.99.150.200.42 (talk) 00:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I am a socialist and a Christian. My faith has lead to my politics. However, I do not believe that we can draw conclusions about Jesus Christ's opinions about modern political thought from the Biblical texts. --Bozzie61 (talk) 04:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

It's a good thing that personal views don't really matter in Wikipedia articles, only notable and verifiable things, otherwise there would be edit wars the whole time between people of opposing viewpoints. Invmog (talk) 18:19, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Liberals accept sin, that is not in line with Christ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.240.199.188 (talk) 17:21, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Unbalanced

This page is unbalanced and the fact that it is a Christian or religious article should not make it immune to the Wikipedia principles. The Christian right movement is at the center of a great many controversies that are not mentioned here. Their leadership’s agenda is not addressed here. There are a great many people that not only disagree with their views but feel they are doing great harm to the United States and our citizens. Many people feel they are “manipulating” the politic system not the least of which is Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. Americans United They do not just believe homosexuality is a “choice” and that homosexuals can be rehabilitated. They actively preach and work to inhibit gay citizen’s rights. These are just a few of the issues not addressed in this article. Someone needs to address these issues of imbalance.Slarabee (talk) 12:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

The section on “Moral issues and general beliefs” could be changed to reflect more detailed attacks made at different times as well as mentioning the opposition to such campaigning. But the main purpose of the article is on who and when, rather than the detailed political issues, which are dealt with under, for example sodomy law, LGBT rights opposition and the List of LGBT rights by region articles. Billwilson5060 (talk) 15:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Uniquely American...?

The first paragraph of the section "Movements Outside the United States" quotes from Micklethwait and Wooldridge (The Right Nation) saying that those things that characterize the Christian Right are "distinctly American." Placed in the larger context of the "Religious Right" this is certainly not true. Throughout the world there are today many reactionary social movements that reject progressive secularism (e.g. radical Islam). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.82.7.243 (talk) 06:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

See Religious right as opposed to just Christian. Maybe there should be a link to that page either at that point or when the terminology is discussed near the top - at the moment the only one is in the list at the bottom. Billwilson5060 (talk) 09:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

There's been a fundamentalist revival under way in pretty much every world religion, true. However the "religious right" is indeed uniquely American; their particular ideology is not embraced by any meaningful groups anywhere outside of the United States. It shows especially in their promoting American nationalism and the world dominance of the United States; radical Islam, by contrast, tends to be hostile towards national entities and stresses the importance of a community of believers that transcends national boundaries. It also shows in their marriage to free market capitalism (see Prosperity Theology); islamists by contrast tend to be more on the left economically (see Iran's economic policies). In short, the religious right may be similar to other fundamentalist movements, but it's still a product of the United States (specifically the deep South), which is very unlike religious movements (Christian or non-Christian) in the rest of the world. 147.9.238.235 (talk) 21:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Contemporary Christian Music

I personally see no reason why any mention of Contemporary Christian Music should be included in this article. The only connection CCM has to the article in terms of actual text is that, allegedly , "Contemporary Christian Music has a large influence on the youth of the Christian Right". That's it. The rest of the text talks about CCM itself. A hundred different things could influence the CR youth, so what?

Compare that to television, the other subject mentioned in the "Media" section of the article. There specific examples are given to show how the CR used television to further itself aims. Notice the contrast.

I could imagine a scenario where CCM deserves a mention here, if one could find a CCM artist who was active in the CR movement.TakeMyRollerCoaster (talk) 08:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

capitalization (Christian Right vs Christian right)

Minor style issue: the article needs to use either "Christian Right" or "Christian right" consistently. As it stands, the article is titled "Christian right", so that's how it should be throughout the article...
However, WP:TITLE#Lowercase says "Do not capitalize second and subsequent words unless the title is almost always capitalized in English", and I believe it almost always is capitalized (confirmed by scanning through many pages of Google results), so I believe the article should be renamed "Christian Right". Comments?

I think it should be capitalized always as it is the title of a group. Hippychick 16:04, 5 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hippychickali (talk • contribs)

Basics Before Issues

Establish: Is this article the Christian right in the USA or Globally; Establish who constitutes the Christian right; Establish numbers (need to determine method/source to define the numbers) Zeke Canidae (talk) 04:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Primarily US, to a lesser extent Anglo-Saxon/English-speaking countries (Can, UK, Aus, NZ), to a far lesser extent the rest of the world -- the problem being that the further away you get from the US, culturally speaking, the less that generalisations can be made. Better to establish what the most reliable academic source is on the subject, and rely primarily upon their definitions and descriptions. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 05:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Christian right and Israel

This site: [Israel] talks abut the relationship between Israel and Christian right.Agre22 (talk) 13:14, 17 August 2009 (UTC)agre22

Strictly Protestant?

The article focuses mainly on the Evangelical Christian Right, particurally in the United States. What about right-wing Catholic movements? For instance, the French religious right is almost uniformly Catholic (Society of St. Pius X, Christine Boutin, Movement for France, and early movements like Cite catholique). Would anyone object to adding a French section, if we point out the prevailence of Catholicism. A similar argument could be made for the Polish religious right (LPR, etc.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.119.71 (talk) 06:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

That's an incredibly mixed bag. SSPX does not appear to be politically active, which is probably why it is not included. Movement for France does not appear to be overtly Christian (though its aideology appear to be congruent with Christian Right, so if evidence of Christian-affiliation can be given, I see no problem with inclusion). Cite catholique & Christian Democratic Party (France) (Boutin's party) could probably be added. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 06:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Sex Education as a "Spectrum"

The article makes the following claim: "On the issue of sexual education in public school's, a spectrum of views exist, from advocating no sex education in public schools to advocating abstinence until marriage, to advocating complete modesty and chastity."

How is that a spectrum? Advocating abstinence only is, in fact, no sex education. Advocating "completely modesty and chastity" is no sex education. And how is "chastity" different from sexual abstinence? As for modesty, must one be also modest and self-effacing to be sexually inactive? If so aren't purity rings a form of boasting? Calendo (talk) 16:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calendo (talk • contribs) 15:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Netherlands - Reformed Party & church-state

Netherlands section now says the Reformed Party opposes church state separation. The ideology section of its WP aricle says the contrary:

The party is a strict defender of the separation between church and state,[6] rejecting "both the state church and church state". Both church and state are believed to have distinct roles in society, while working towards the same goal, but despite this, the SGP advocates theocracy.[7] The SGP opposes freedom of religion, but advocates freedom of conscience instead, noting that "obedience to the law of God cannot be forced".[8]

AndersW (talk) 02:36, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

The section on "Separation of Church and State" should be re-done.

First, the Section is not (fully) written from a neutral standpoint. The Article section says at one point: "Christian Right believes in X, even though writings suggest not X." Writings suggest? Who says they suggest this? The writings could be open to multiple interpretations. The point should be re-phrased so that it is given from a more neutral standpoint. It should instead say that, scholar X or scholar Y, or that some people, believe the writings suggest otherwise.

Second, the section says, "Because the Christian right does not believe in separation of Church and State..." This is ambiguous and, I fear, is also quite wrong. It is ambiguous because it fails to address that there are two things going on: Separation of Church and State as a matter of Constitutional Interpretation, and Separation of Church and State as a political belief. And if the claim is the Christian Right doesn't believe in it as a Constitutional Interpretation, that's a huge overstatement to make. The Christian Right is not suggesting it doesn't exist; it merely suggests that its scope is more limited than others believe. The Christian Right is not suggesting the Constitution would allow for the government to be run by Mullahs or Priests. And if the claim is about the Christian Right's political belief of not believing in separation of Church and State.. well, Really? So the Christian right wants to have a theocracy like you seen in Iran? A few extremists might hold this view, but it is not held by the Christian Right generally. The Christian Right believes the Ten Commandments should be allowed to be displayed in Courts and that prayer time should be allowed in public schools. To equate this with not believing in Separation of Church and State is making way too big of a leap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.27.165.9 (talk) 02:21, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd disagree on numerous counts. First of all, your examples really have noting to do with one's belief (or lack thereof) of a Separation of Church and State - the example(s) given are instead the most extreme possible outcome of such a situation; but not necessarily the one being promoted. Secondly, numerous of those labeled (self or by others) as part of the Christian Right have, on numerous occasions, called the Separation of Church and State a fiction. Searching Google alone (instead of relying on the numerous cites in the article that will lead you to such claims) for "separation of church and state a fiction" will lead you to many many results, numerous of which are relevant. Just a thought (or two) before you do any revisions that are highly contrary to dozens of references that can be provided to support the article's claim. Best, Robert ROBERTMFROMLI ^TALK/_CNTRB 22:57, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

How is intelligent design not a pseudoscience?

Since intelligent design is a pseudoscience, should it not be added to the article, wherever it is mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.67.83.100 (talk) 05:34, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

You cannot insert any claims without a reliable source to back them up. You've made multiple POV edits to the article with no citations, and that is not permitted by various polices. You may also wish to start with The Five Pillars and work your way through the other links I have provided as well, in order to gain a better understanding. Best, ROBERTMFROMLI ^TALK/_CNTRB 05:37, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Side note: I definitely do appreciate the fact that you have started discussion about this looking for explanations instead of continuing to make changes. Thanks, ROBERTMFROMLI ^TALK/_CNTRB 05:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I can see how my other edits could be seen as POV, that's fine. But I can find cites for the pseudoscience claims, unless I misunderstand what constitutes a cite. Do you mean articles back up my claim? From Wikipedia itself you have the definition of pseudoscience: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience which states:

"Pseudoscience is a claim, belief, or practice which is presented as scientific, but which does not adhere to a valid scientific methodology, lacks supporting evidence or plausibility, cannot be reliably tested, or otherwise lacks scientific status"

Which ID fits exactly, "because it generates no testable hypotheses, and that’s because it refuses to specify, even vaguely, the capabilities or motivations of life’s designer." from http://www.today.ucla.edu/portal/ut/050927voices_pseudoscience.aspx. Stating the life was designed cannot be tested, and does not fit in any scientific methodology.

Or from merriam-webster "a system of theories, assumptions, and methods erroneously regarded as scientific" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pseudoscience).

"Intelligent design was formulated in the 1990s..." from britannica.com (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1081911/intelligent-design)

Irreducitly Complex is the central theme in Intelligent Design, which besides being proved untrue is stated in Wikipedia's own article as:

"Irreducible complexity (IC) is a [b]nonscientific[/b] argument by proponents of intelligent design that certain biological systems are too complex to have evolved from simpler, or "less complete" predecessors, through natural selection acting upon a series of advantageous naturally-occurring, chance mutations." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity)

Are these the kind of cites you are referring to? Or to copy the source that the irreducible complexity ariticle cites:

Forrest, Barbara (May,2007) (PDF). Understanding the Intelligent Design Creationist Movement: Its True Nature and Goals. A Position Paper from the Center for Inquiry, Office of Public Policy. http://www.centerforinquiry.net/uploads/attachments/intelligent-design.pdf Washington, D.C.: Center for Inquiry, Inc.. http://www.centerforinquiry.net/uploads/attachments/intelligent-design.pdf. Retrieved 2007-08-22. .

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.67.83.100 (talk) 05:56, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, first a few tips. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing ~~~~ at the end of the post. SineBot doesn't always get to the posts in time to sign them for you, and it makes it easier to know where one post ends and one starts.

Second, I have removed the majority of one set of text you copied and pasted above. Normally, it is not permitted to remove someone else's text from a talk page that isn't their own, but in the case of copyright issues, it is. The particular one I removed was removed because it was the bulk of the copyrighted content from the source you cited.

Give me a sec and I will formulate a response to see if I can help you along with this. Best, ROBERTMFROMLI ^TALK/_CNTRB 06:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

OK, on to some notes:

• You cant use Wikipedia as a citation. You must use a secondary reliable source for claims/statements of the nature you wish to add to the article. Click the link in this paragraph for an explanation about primary, secondary and tertiary reliable sources.
• This article is about the Cristian Right, so while your proposed addition may be entirely valid, it may not be appropriate in this article except as a "footnote" (not a literal one, but a figurative one, ie: a mention) in this article.
• You may wish to view the Intelligent Design article on Wikipedia for suitable references for the premises you wish to insert into this article
• You probably need to ensure that you balance your view with the proper weight for an article that is not about intelligent design - otherwise the article becomes about intelligent design.
• You cannot write such an inclusion in a way where the article becomes an attack page against the subject of the article. That can be a tough one to overcome, hence my earlier suggestion on reading The Five Pillars and related links there to get an understanding on that.
• The article is not about dismissing the claims of the Christian Right; it's about explaining the claims and explaining the criticism. The method of inclusion you used dismisses each section that should be devoted to explaining the Christian Right's beliefs.

Hope that helps get you started. One other note... this article is often in contention (hence it being on my watchlist even though it is not a topic I am particularly interested in). Because of that, the best way to add content is to start dialog here (like you did - again, thank you for that) and come to a consensus with the other editors who work on this article. I am sure that others will show up in the next day or two to provide suggestions and possibly more guidance or even counterpoints. Remember, Wikipedia is not about the truth - it's about verifiability, including (due to that) the ability to present opposing views (right or wrong) without biasing them with one's own beliefs. Best, ROBERTMFROMLI ^TALK/_CNTRB 06:19, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Strange paragraph

The two sentences of this paragraph seem to contradict each other: "The Christian Right also support economic conservative policies such as tax cuts and social conservative policies such as child tax credits.[52] It supports the idea that the government should interfere with the natural operations of the marketplace or the workplace as little as possible.[citation needed]" Wolfview (talk) 03:47, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Maybe take off the second sentence, since it is uncited anyway.Jaque Hammer (talk) 22:38, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Erase this article

It is clearly not neutral and Im not sure why Dixiecrats are emphasized in this. They were not "right" and they were not soley Christian so it is pointless to emphasize such a thing in an article of the "Christian Right". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dunnbrian9 (talk • contribs) 03:33, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

This article does not make sense.

"Right is a movement that has been difficult to define due to the heterogeneity of the movement." And yet there are numerous assumptions made throughout the article. This doesnt add up. Dunnbrian9 (talk) 03:35, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

It would appear to be a 'I cannot define it but I know it when I see it' thing. Conceptually, it would appear to be the juxtaposition of the (closely-related) phenomena of Christian religious chauvinism, social conservatism and right-wing authoritarianism. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 04:25, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

This article is nothing but propaganda

It should be modified or deleted.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.240.199.188 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

If you think the article should be deleted, you may of course place it on WP:AFD - but I suggest you attempt to discuss your concerns here first and try to understand why this article exists. If you have suggestions to improve it, you may make them here. Please remember to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines so as not to waste your fellow editors' time. KillerChihuahua^?!?Advice 17:25, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Disputed Neutrality Part 2

In order not to be biased, it needs to be clarified that Christian Rightist does not include all Christians AND Rightists and their values.Maklaver (talk) 03:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Please remember to start a new section. I've moved this conversation into a new section. New comments go after old ones, unless in direct response to someone else.

The comments you added were a commonly used attack phrase against the Christian Right, and were not cited to anyone. What you provided did not clarify such (which, btw, the article already clarifies in multiple places) - it instead directly stated that those in the Christian Right are neither Christian, nor right. You added "The words Christian and Right are not inclusive of each other, in that all Christians are not Rightist and all Rightists are not Christian, as the combined words would suggest. The Christian Right is neither Christian nor Right in the broad sense, although it shares some of the values of both." - that can easily be seen as a POV based attack, and is against numerous policies and guidelines. Best, ROBERTMFROMLI | ^TK/_CN 03:26, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Image removal

Hi all. This article says:

Because it does not believe in the separation of church and state, the Christian Right supports the presence of religious institutions within government. It also supports the presence and activities of religion in the public sphere. It supports the reduction of restrictions on government funding for religious charities and schools. However, some politically conservative churches refuse government funding because of their restrictions regarding acceptance of homosexuality and other issues. Others endorse President Bush's faith-based initiatives and accept funding.

Here we have a photograph of a bumper sticker asking people to "support faith-based missle defense systems" which is almost an exact quote from the article. I do think this article needs some sources, not removal of this image. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:14, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

In case you weren't aware, there is no such thing as a faith-based missle (sic) defense system. It is a hoax. This is an encyclopedia: not a joke. WP:FILE states: "Images must be relevant to the article that they appear in and be significantly and directly related to the article's topic" (emph. mine). Nothing could be more trivial and irrelevant than this bumper sticker. – Lionel ^(talk) 04:08, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Lionelt, sorry, no I didn't know it was a joke. No hoax site I can find lists it. I didn't even know whether or not you were kidding until I found it in a book. -SusanLesch (talk) 05:01, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

The bumper sticker would be better in an article on the Christian left, if it's saying (as it seems to to me) that prayer is a better defense against nuclear war than anti-missile systems. BigJim707 (talk) 15:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. It seems more an attack on the Christian Right than anything. ROBERTMFROMLI | ^TK/_CN 22:57, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Groups

I think the opening sentence could be a little more clear, if the expression "Christian right" includes both individual voters as well as organized groups. BigJim707 (talk) 15:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Tory party at prayer

I propose that this article be moved to the a specific American name, as its meaning outside the USA is just too imprecise.

This would remove the problem that the article has at the moment with the introduction. Articles are meant to be a about things not words. The current introduction is about a term so it ought to be moved onto Wiktionary.

When I say imprecise for example what does Christian right mean in the United Kingdom? As it is under the banned of Conservatism presumably it means the Church of England otherwise known as the Tory party at prayer.

In Northern Ireland what does the Christina right mean? In the Republic of Ireland what does it mean? What does it mean in Scotland? On thing for sure is that if it had a meaning in those countries it would not be the same meaning.

So as an initial suggestion I propose to move this article to: Christian organisations that support right wing politics in the United States -- PBS (talk) 02:10, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I partly agree with PBS: it's an American term and the short "other countries" section is not needed. There is no need to change the title, because the term is exclusively American in usage. For example, as Rogger says [The European right: a historical profile p 274] "in a Christian Germany a unified Christian Right was impossible." Geiko Müller-Fahrenholz (America's battle for God: a European Christian looks at civil religion 2007 - Page xviii ) says there is nothing quite like it in Europe. Curtis [Patriotism, Democracy, and Common Sense (2005) Page 126] says the Christian right "is a phenomenon that is very hard for Europeans to understand." Rjensen (talk) 02:21, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I revised the Other Countries section and hope that meets the objections. Rjensen (talk) 03:46, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ It starts to address the issue but not really.

Does right mean to the right politically, or right as in correct? It is ambiguous.

It does not being to touch on the theological issues that are part of right and left in the church (if such terms are meaningful) for example was John Fry (regicide) on the right or the left of the religious divide? Were the Presbyterian to the right or the left in the English Civil War? Where do the Swiss members of the Réveil fit into this terminology? It seems to me that this is a very narrow article and the title should reflect this. -- PBS (talk) 06:57, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Race Section

This section should be completely overhauled. It consists of accusations of racism against members of the Christian Right and contains only one perspective.67.248.31.193 (talk) 19:23, 26 December 2011 (UTC)