Talk:Computer music

CDCM link

Might a link to CDCM be relevant, or would they be considered commercial? I've got a few other ideas for additions to really flesh this page out some, but I'll have to work on it some time later. --Morbid-o 17:27, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

1st computer music

I thoght that the first computer music was by Max Matthews in Australia, and it was a rendition of 'Daisy (Bicycle built for two)' --Morbid-o 20:26, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

That is very confused. The first computer to play music was CSIRAC, in Australia in about 1951, it was programmed by Geoff Hill. Max Matthews, at Bell Labs USA, created a software program MUSIC I in 1957, which was similar to what was being done with CSIRAC at the time. Max very astutely got composers involved and the software developed into a very smart computer music program - so he really is the father of computer music, even though he may not have been the first to program a computer to play music. "Daisy Bell" - aka bicycle built for two - was from 1961 and was probably the first synthesised singing. - pierrec. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pierre cummings (talk • contribs) 05:51, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Reviving wikiproject

I'd like to revive the wikiproject on computer music. If you want to help out, let me know (email, post on my talk page, etc).

--Phil Kirlin 16:23, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I think fleshing out the page would be a good idea--I have added most of the information to it, lamentably its seems rather 'thrown together.' It would be good to keep any superfluous information off the article, and instead just use it as a starting off point, or information repository. Adding commercial entities to it could be distracting?

On the Max Matthews thing--I did not author that section---so I am willing to research and find out.

More on Computer Music

The first piece for computer was called "In the Silver Scale," which lasts 17 seconds and was composed by Audiologist Newman Gutman. For more information about computer music I suggest that you watch the video "Music Meets the Computer," hosted by Max Mathews and John Chowning. To find it you can simply do a google video search or go here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7185099725785108063&q=Music+Meets+the+Computer&hl=en

Unfortunately, the video's sound cuts out after just over an hour but it should be a big help anyhow.

--Wakod2002 02:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

First piece at Bell Labs

"In the Silver Scale" was indeed the first piece at Bell Labs, and a link to the video somewhere in the resources would be a good idea. It appears NOT to be the first piece played by a computer, which was done by CSIRAC some 6 or 7 years earlier.

Multiple merge

Suggestion to amalgamate Computer generated music, Computer-Aided Algorithmic Composition, Computer assisted composition under Computer music. Semitransgenic (talk) 15:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

You might want to add Machine improvisation to that list. CM's a big enough subject for one really good article. I just ran into the Lejaren Hiller article which mentions Illiac Suite (decent article here: http://ems.music.uiuc.edu/history/illiac.html) and reminded me what a HUGE stink was made over the Scientific American article. I was at a meeting a few years back where one old-timer complained "Music is being taken over by the physicists!!!" (I thought: so?) Twang (talk) 02:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

There are a number of other related pages on here, but I wasn't sure how far to go with merging, the three listed above were too closely related to warrant separate items. Likely candidates include Live coding and Machine listening. Semitransgenic (talk) 12:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Merger complete. Some weeding needed and cross referencing with related articles (sub section see also links). Semitransgenic (talk) 11:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

section live coding

While live coding is used in computer music, it is not an exclusively musical practice, but used in the visual arts, and more generally, within a paradigm of algorithmic art. Either move to a separate page again, or deal with live coding in music here explicitly. As a first step, I will change the section header to live coding in computer music Atoll (talk) 13:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

the difference between live coding and interactive programming is that the former is a genre of performative art.

Have you got cites to support this supposition? Reverting until sufficient sources are provided to underpin this. Semitransgenic (talk) 14:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Live coding isn't a genre of performance art; although you can live code an improvised performance you can also live code alone. Live coding is about the development of an algorithm to generate a time-based work, during the time based work. So live coding is a method for producing time based works. Yaxu (talk) 16:34, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I also support recreating the live coding page, so that video animation works such as those created with fluxus, impromptu can also be included. There are a good number of articles in mainstream media about live coding to support this I feel. Perhaps the TOPLAP page could merge with the new live coding page. Yaxu (talk) 16:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

The comparison to "Laptop DJ's" doesn't make much sense. Either we feel that a DJ is one who jockeys disks (so anything but vinyl won't count) or we take the term to include other ways of presenting music, including the use of laptops, in which case it's not clear from this paragraph how and why a livecoder isn't a "laptop dj". I want to propose doing away with that term completely and focussing on the distinction between pre-prepared and new material, especially the method of creating this material which is what is important here. Livecoding may include the re-structuring of existing sonic material so in the implied perspective on what DJ-ing is a livecoder may well be a DJ as well. --Kassen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.145.196.40 (talk) 18:08, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

After discussion on the wikipedia irc channel I propose expanding the live coding section, adding in references to support notability, merging with the TOPLAP page and adding references to use in video as well as music, then proposing a split. I haven't got time to do this immediately so if anyone else fancies a go feel free. It means for a short while this page may be live coding heavy. Yaxu (talk) 09:42, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

External Links section

I removed this entire section as per WP:LINKFARM and WP:EL. The following will probably be useful as in-line citations in the article:

• http://home.comcast.net/~chtongyu/Thesis.html
• http://www.essl.at/bibliogr/cac.html
• http://mediatheque.ircam.fr/articles/textes/Assayag04a
• http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=1236474
• http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/leonardo_music_journal/v010/10.1lewis.html
• http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayIssue?jid=OSO&volumeId=4&issueId=02

Nikthestoned 13:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Multiple issues

Original research

Why and where does this article contain original research? What should be done about it? Hyacinth (talk) 01:06, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Additional citations

Why and where does this article need additional citations for verification? What references does it need and how should they be added? Hyacinth (talk) 01:06, 29 October 2011 (UTC) Bold text

Eight of the eleven sections (disregarding the lede) have no references at all. They need reliable references confirming their content. As they stand, these sections constitute original research. In order to rectify this problem, they should either be supplied with references, or deleted.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 04:03, 29 October 2011 (UTC)