Talk:Danes (Germanic tribe)

Would "Daner" be a better word than "Danes"?

I do not know, but Danes i was both in Denmark and Norway. South-danes/Sea-danes i Denmark and Scania and north-danes in Halland and further north. Haabet 23:26, 2005 Feb 1 (UTC)

Can I move this page to Dane?Haabet 20:27, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)

This is a page about a Germanic tribe, at the time when there were both Jutes and Daner, and not about the modern nation Danes. I think it should remain. There is plenty to add about them. The etymology section for instance could need a overhaul.--Wiglaf 21:12, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Have you any reliable source who use Daner and not Dani or Dane? Have you any information when Jutes not is a subgroup of danes? Haabet 09:07, 2005 Apr 30 (UTC)

I'm maybe the wrong person to comment on this; but the fairly comprehensive Danmarks historie i grundtræk (2000), of 400 pages aimed as an introduction for (Danish) university students in Danish history, notes on page 19 that Jordanes writes about (in Danish spelling) a Herul people that was expelled by a Daner people that had originated from the Suiones. The textbook concludes (on page 21) that the Daner had migrated to Sjælland, Fyn, and South-Jutland in the 3rd–6th centuries. A natural consequence of their non-control of the rest of the Jutland Peninsula is the existence of a Jutish people there. The textbook notes (still on page 21):

What would be more close, than to perceive the booty-offerings as traces of fights in the early 6th century that took place between Daner and Jutes — two historically known peoples whos lands were within the Frankish king's sphere of interest and hence are mentioned in Frankish sources. (my quick translation)

I have no idea about what term English authors usually would use for instance for Daner.

--Johan Magnus 09:34, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No writer of English would use "Daner". It doesn't look like a plural to English readers, most of whom will think it looks ridiculous. A much better choice for the heading would be "Danes (ancient people)". 69.248.116.112 21:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Why call the "Dani" an exticnt North Germanic group? Weren't they our forebears and as such, they just evolved into modern Danes? Possible together with the Jutes. --Per 07:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)== The Anglo-Saxons and the Scandinavians ==

Comanche seems to object to the fact that the Anglo-Saxons during some parts of history referred to all Scandinavians as Danes, based on the fact that all Scandinavians are not Danes. Has it not occurred to you that the Anglo-Saxons were wrong? Using the wrong name for a people is not unique. Maybe the indigenous inhabitants of the British Isles met Danes first and then used the same name on other people who to them seemed to be of the same origin. Or maybe most of the Viking they encountered were Danes and so they used the name on all Vikings. Minor parts of what was called the Danelaw area was for instance sometimes ruled by Vikings of Norwegian origins. Inge 21:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Omg Inge. That's not true and don't talk about facts, when it's not even near to be a fact.

And btw. "Danelaw" is the english word of the Danish "Danegeld" --Comanche cph 21:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh my God..like..way! It's soo true. Come on we can sit here all night just saying true/not true to each other. Please try to be constructive. Inge 21:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

"Danelaw" is the english word of the Danish "Danelagen" or "Danelag". Danegeld is the english word of the Danish DanegældHåbet 09:31, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Well it's you, who wants something to be true, right? --Comanche cph 21:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I just won't let you remove valid information from Wikipedia just because you happen to disagree. Inge 22:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not valid information. It's totally fiction and not wrote anywhere. --Comanche cph 22:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

From Britannica "Danes Invade England" "The new invaders were Scandinavians from Norway and Denmark (see Vikings). The English called them Danes." Please leave the information in. Inge 13:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Let's get it sourced, then. The article in general needs references. Once properly referenced removal is much harder to justify. This search may help. [1] I shan't revert the removal by the recent IP, someone else can. Had it been sourced I owuld have reverted the removal as vandalism. ++Lar: t/c 14:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of merge

Upon examination of the Danelaw, specifically the fact that "Dane" and "Danish" is used extensively and that there was a documented conflict between the "Danes" and the "Norse" under Magnus I of Norway. Therefor, though they are similar, they are not the same and should not be merged. Noles1984 (talk) 21:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Daner vs Danes - Saxo Grammaticus wrote about "danerne" (not in Danish but in Latin, but) - it is though translated to Daner/Danerne in newer litteratur. People from Angel (Southern Jutland, part of Denmark) and Sachsen (more to the south and ome in now Germany) ( = the anglians and saxons) went to England already in the 5th century. You will find this in sources like Beda's religious history (don't have the book by hand), in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle. And that's a fact. 87.57.199.24 (talk) 17:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Jan Eskildsen.

It is of course Bede's Ecclesiastical History, I am referring to. 87.57.199.24 (talk) 17:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Jan Eskildsen

I have now found the sentence in Bede's Ecclesiastical history, where he writes/wrote: "Those who came over were of the thee most powerful nations of Germany - Saxons, Angles, and Jutes." In Chapter XV.19:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC)Jan Eskildsen