Talk:Dead Can Dance

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Fred138 User at IP: 198.103.167.20, please don't delete the entry about the Memento compilation. It is a proper album that exists (see Amazon.com; PitchFork Media Review Google Search for Memento + dead can dance). Aggelophoros 22:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

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DCD is gothic?

Can get it: why anyone consider DCD to be somehow gothic? I can't hear any gothic influences in their music. Or do you think that everything sad is gothic? I suppose this article was written by some popular music fan (including metal, gothic and so on), who was not in touch with musical traditions extremly different from European. --HeavyWave 17:48, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, DCD was goth. Quintessentially so. The first few albums were very much in the gothic vein and goths loved them. I'm not sure what you think a "gothic influence" would be. But "In power we entrust the love advocated" or "Black sun" would be adornments in any goth band's oeuvre -- they have the Romantic sweep and melancholy that goths adored. Goth music is by and large defined by what the goths liked rather than any particular style, but of course anything doomy or esoteric tended to be swept up in it. It's true that they moved on from it but the article says that their early work was goth, not that they were a goth band, and I think that's fair enough. I'm not sure about the "darkwave" thing. It better describes bands influenced by the early 80s goth bands than it does the bands itselves, particularly because I don't think it was term much in use then. James James 00:03, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely disagree!! The only truth in the above is the line 'goths loved them'; Dead Can Dance came out at a time where there was a new wave (not in the new wave sense!) of bands producing a new form of music, e.g. Cocteau Twins, Xmal Deutschland, The Birthday Party, Southern death cult, Sex Gang Children, etc. Between each there were similarities, for example on many DCD tracks the drum patterns and use of floor tom instead of hi-hats and snare, is very simialr to the SDC and SGC tracks (the track 'Threshold sound like it was an early Joy Dision, Unknown Pleasures demo, apart from Gerrards vocals), but the music, especially the lyrics is quite different. Likewise the use of elaborate guitar effects, tape loops and the E bow (as on 'A passage in time) is very Cocteau-esque. Obviously these band influenced each other and goths got into DCD because of (a) the word dead in the title, and (b) the black, monochrome artistic style of the covers. Ianguy 13:31, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Rather than saying DCD was Gothic, it's more valid to say go tic is DCD; because their melancholic, bittersweet, sublime moods influenced on later bands which were goth (e.g. Faith and the muse, black tape for a blue girl. In general Projekt-related bands). Furthermore it contributed in the interest of the Gothic subculture in the medieval music, since as Teufel of corvus corax in an interview with Christian Chavero López editor of the Revista dark, a Mexican goth magazine declared: "When we started playing medieval music at the beginnings of the 80's our follower weren't part of 'the scene' since there wasn't this actual connection between the medieval culture and the Gothic, until the group dead can dance manage to generate that connection in the 90's with their fifth record Aion and specially with their song Saltarello(...)". Additionally the experimental variations of Gothic rock they composed in their first three albums was crucial for the development of the ethereal wave; a very relevant music genre for the Gothic scene. Not to mention that the peculiarity of Lisa's image (ancient-like), combined with her deep vocals gave her a goddess-like look; irresistible for the Gothic esoteric, romantic scene of aesthetics. Fae-Baudelaire 17:33, 6 April 2009 (GTM-06:00)

Dead Can Dance info box?

I was thinking that there should be a information box for Dead Can Dance and all related articles (such as the album articles). I was thinking along of the lines of the U2 box at the bottom of that page. The U2 box looks like this:

I just altered this a little bit and added some Dead Can Dance content.

If anyone has any suggestions feel free to edit etc. I won't put this up on the actual article (if it goes up at all) until it is complete and until there is general agreement with this. Aggelophoros 10:22, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Images

I added a new image with full copyright tagging. The other image has been removed because of undetermined copyright and usage status.Aggelophoros 23:37, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

disband/reunite ?

The article says "it disbanded temporarily in 1998 and reunited for a world tour in 2005."

Shouldn't it rather be : ""it disbanded in 1998 and reunited temporarily for a world tour in 2005" ? Lisa Gerrard recently said that they were never going to record new material together under the name Dead Can Dance.Clodomir17 12:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Darkwave

Why exactly is this omitted in the infobox? It's what most newcomers to the band are told DCD plays, and the article itself mentions it. I'm adding it, along with "early" in (). Ours18 01:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Glossolalia

"Dead Can Dance would take ancient or various musics from around the world as primary sources, with Gerrard singing glossolalia"

Is this a correct use of the word 'glossolalia'? It's hard to tell what the writer was intending although I feel that melismatic might be a more appropriate adjective.

Both would actually make sense. Many (most) of the songs sang by Lisa don't have words. She has said in some interviews that she likes to makes sounds and let these carry the emotions. But she does fluctuate the pitch on those sounds too... Lordhong 16:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Link to "Echoes" interviews

I am restoring the link to the free "Echoes" interview page. This is an important reliable third party resource by one of the leading ambient music radio shows on US public radio, and it provides insights on the subject of this article that are, to my knowledge, not available anywhere else. --Gene_poole 21:38, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Link to "Echoes" interviews

I am restoring the link to the free "Echoes" interview page. This is an important reliable third party resource by one of the leading ambient music radio shows on US public radio, and it provides insights on the subject of this article that are, to my knowledge, not available anywhere else. --Gene_poole 21:39, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

When the host of the show, Jdiliberto, mass adds links, it is WP:SPAM and WP:COI) IrishGuy ^talk 21:41, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm adding them, and I'm not the host. If you can find an alternative series of interviews from an alternative free, reliable third party source, then please add them.--Gene_poole 21:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

(to Irish Guy) Not necessarily. WP:BITE and WP:AGF are also important guidelines, perhaps even more important than either WP:SPAM or WP:COI. Are the links relevant for the articles? If the links were added by any other user, would there be a problem? And besides, five links hardly constitute "mass" adding links. Each of the links was to different content that was pertinent to article. older ≠ wiser 21:53, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Cover songs

This section needs to be redone, taken away or moved to a discography page (or something similar - doubt it would be fitted for a standalone page). It's incomplete and gives the feeling that some covers have more importance than others (ie, why list 3 of the Lotus Eaters songs and not the rest, giving the sense that they have more significance than the rest?). It doesn't seem neutral at all, and to make it neutral, all covers (within scope of knowledge) should be listed... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.218.130 (talk) 21:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Super Audio CD

They've got a Super Audio CD of remastered material coming out pretty soon. If you go to their myspace page (blogs.myspace is blacklisted so I can't link it here), you'll find release dates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.1.167 (talk) 21:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Copypaste

As unusual as it may sound, it seems almost certain that the material tagged as a copyvio in this article here originated on Wikipedia. Take one particular passage for study:

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Assigning a musical genre to Dead Can Dance is difficult, as its style is particularly eclectic. However, its early work could be considered a mix between post-punk and goth rock. In its later work, starting with The Serpent's Egg, Dead Can Dance would take ancient or various musics from around the world as primary sources, with Gerrard singing glossolalia, giving it a very distinctive style. As a result, the duo's later albums sound quite different from the first three. Various sources have labeled those latter releases as neo-classical, ethereal, or dark world music.

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In the tagged source, this appears as:

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Assigning a musical genre to Dead Can Dance is difficult, as its style is particularly eclectic. However, its early work could be considered darkwave and Gothic, with the song "The Ubiquitous Mr. Lovegrove" achieving instant classic status on play-lists at Gothic dance clubs. In their later work, including and subsequent to the release titled The Serpent's Egg, Dead Can Dance would take ancient or various musics from around the world as primary sources, with Gerrard singing glossolalia, giving it a very distinctive style. As a result, their later albums sound quite different from the first three. Various sources have labeled those latter releases as neo-classical, ethereal, or dark world music.

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Take a look at our article ca. April 2003, where genre was first mentioned. At that point, the text read, "Assigning a musical genre to Dead Can Dance is difficult, as their style was particularly eclectic. However, their early work could be considered goth music. In their later work, after The Serpent's Egg, Dead Can Dance would take as sources ancient or foreign music from around the world, giving them a very distinctive style. As a result their later albums sound exceedingly different from the first three." (Dropping formatting for convenience of pasting.) It stayed in essentially that form for over a year, until reference to glossolalia was added in March 2004. In August 2005, another editor added "They're considered to be ethereal goth and/or dark world music." "Gothic rock" (later altered to goth rock) first enters in April 2006. "Various sources have publicly labeled" was introduced in June 2006. Meanwhile, other material can be seen to evolve in a similar natural fashion.

Infringement seems to be reversed. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Missing an Album?

Where is the album "Influences from the Middle Age"?

I bought an mp3 compilation CD in Russia about 6 years ago and the above album was part of it. There seems to be very little information about on the internet but it is definitely Dead Can Dance. I think it is all live stuff.

Here is a link to the album on Grooveshark: http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/album/Influences+From+The+Middle+Age/3714752 (note: some of the songs appear to be corrupted and stop playing at a certain point, but you can skip past that point to listen to the rest of the song.)

Here is another link to the album information: http://www.discogs.com/Dead-Can-Dance-Influences-From-The-Middle-Age/release/994342

I would have added it to the wikipedia page, but I can't find a release date. The last link above says it is from the 90's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Majorsheisskopf (talk • contribs) 08:17, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Dead Can Dance discography

The latter portion of this article, from Section 2: In films and TV to Section 6: Videography, is to be moved to a new list: Dead Can Dance discography. I'll leave behind the studio albums and a link.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC)