Talk:Deer

Photos overlapping

The photos were overlapping each other. I deleted one of them. If somebody can fix the overlapping problem, then we can put the photo back. -- Zoe

Language

In earlier forms of English, "deer" was a general term for any animal, just as "Tier" remains the German word for animal. "Hart" Like Andrew Davies and "hind" were the common terms, just as we have no really common English name for both sexes of bos taurus (Cows and Bulls) today. At some point deer became the exclusive term for a specific type of animal. I'm not sure if this fits in with all of the information about harts, hinds and so on, but I think its a fascinating note. [[User:Syncrolecyne|Syncrolecyne]

Doesn't "stag" deserve its own article, or at least a disambig page? It has more than one meaning in English, and I think the others are worth mentioning. 129.2.211.72 08:04, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Main image

I think that we should have a male deer as a main image because of the antlers. I don't oblige you, but I think it would be better like that. Just take the lion as an example, I'm sure that if they would have to keep one of the two images, they would keep the male one because of its mane.

Why not both? Yes I agree that a male deer should be the main image, but why not have a male and female in the same picture instead? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zachpw (talk • contribs) 17:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned sentence

I just removed the following sentence from the article:

There are European Red Deer in the Atlas Mountains of Algeria and Tunisia in Northern Africa.

I removed this because it seemed entirely redundant and unnecessary in its context: the preceding sentence had already stated that there are indigenous deer populations on every continent except Antarctica and Australia, so it seems unnecessary and rather curious to comment at this point on a specific European species of deer living in Northern Africa. If someone can find a better place for this information, please reinsert it. Job L 17:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Fawn picture

Can anyone confirm whether this fawn is a Roe Deer. This website describes the fawn as having two distinct lines of white spots running from the nape of the neck either side of the dorsal to the rump, which would seem to fit. However, I'm not sure whether this is sufficient to identify a Roe Deer fawn. The fawns of Fallow Deer would seem similiar, but also have a black stripe down the centre of the back. -- Solipsist 13:55, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

"Hartless hinds"

... strikes me as a notable Shakespearian pun ... "heartless arses" --FOo 01:17, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Picture identification

White-tailed Deer Picture

It is a mule deer.

I dunno, you could be right, but the USDA Research Service has it captioned "In the Northeast, the white-tailed deer is the primary host for adult blacklegged ticks." -- Mwanner | Talk 22:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Image improperly labelled?

The image labeled White Tailed Deer looks like a Mule Deer. Fred Bauder 12:18, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It is tagged wrong, I changed it. 12.177.80.3 (talk) 21:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Explain how it's a Mule Deer. The source is the US government and it lists the locaton as the northeast US. There are no Mule Deer there. Besides I sure the government is reliable for labeling species.

And allow me to make my own case that it is a whitetail. Look at the antlers. They all stem from a single beam. Mule Deer have "fork" antlers. Bobisbob2 (talk) 19:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I can't comment on which this is – I can only do European deer. However, I see that mule and white-tailed can hybridise – could this be a hybrid?

As to a government source guaranteeing accuracy, that sounds unreliable to me – it's all too easy to get images muddled between the camera and the web page. Richard New Forest (talk) 20:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Still the deer has antlers like a whitetail and no one has stated the case for why they think it's a mule. Bobisbob2 (talk) 22:40, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Fetus

When one is not prepared to see an aborted deer fetus it can be rather jarring.

What purpose does this photograph serve? It isn't a very good photograph and doesn't seem to be related to the article other than it is a deer.-Crunchy Numbers 17:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

red deer

The article about elk or red deer states that they exist in the wild in Northern Africa but this article states that deer don't live in Africa. Does anyone know which is correct?-Crunchy Numbers 17:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

There are supposed to be Red Deer in the Atlas Mountains in North Africa. I don't think Africa should be in the list of deerless continets. On the other hand, the range of deer and the number of deer in Africa are very small. Will in New Haven

From the article:

Deer are widely distributed, and hunted, with representatives in all continents except  
Australia, Antarctica, and Africa. Australia does have six introduced species of deer that 
have established sustainable wild populations from Acclimatisation Society releases in the 
19th Century.

This seems like a contradiction to me: if there are sustainable populations in Austrailia then how can we say all continents except Australia?-Crunchy Numbers 16:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Deer in Australia were introduced and survive on farms and in the wild. However, they are no more native to Australia than the tigers in the Bronx Zoo are native to the U.S. Will in New Haven

ANd i know that New Zealand being a part in the Australian continent, know that there is red stag in New Zealand-Tanner — Preceding unsigned comment added by TexWeston (talk • contribs) 10:17, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Car crashes

Here is a CNN article about the impact of deer-related car accidents and the costs of damages in the U.S. The statistics could possibly be added to the economic significance section if desired.[1] --Nehrams2020 00:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC) hi

We can do better than CNN, I believe. The deer-automobile crash situation is a growing problem and in the Midwest U.S. many over the road trucks are now equipped with large crash bumpers to reduce animal hit damage, as has been done in Australia for some time, to reduce kangaroo collision damage. I will add good sources as I find them. homebuildingHomebuilding (talk) 13:03, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

deer was included in this article

In the article on Elk it is made clear that they had some problems so they had to get the story straight lthough closely related. In this general article on Deer, it is stated that they are the same species. Oddly enough, each article claims that the earlier information was the opposite and that recent research support what was claimed on that page. I think that the "not the same species" information is the one currently best supported by evidence but someone should clear it up. Will in New Haven

I made the change. The two have been determined to be separate species. The article on the North American Elk and Red Deer are now separate.--Counsel 20:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for editing this page, Floridan, actually there are three species of deer under the Subgenus Cervus, they are the European Red Deer, Central Asian Red Deer, and Wapiti or North American Elk. The North American Elk also lives in Siberia and Mongolia, and the Asian form is called Altai Maral. It looks exactly like the North American Elk.

I listed the Subgenus (subgroupings) under the Genus Cervus and Genus Axis.

Under Central Asian Red Deer, I deleted the link to Maral because the designation Maral refers to the East European Red Deer (Cervus elaphus maral), a subspecies of the European Red Deer (Cervus elaphus) and NOT the Central Asian Red Deer (Cervus affinis). The Altai Maral is an Asian race of the North American Elk and belongs to Cervus canadensis canadensis. There are several races of North American Elk (Roosevelt Elk, Rocky Mountain Elk, Merriam Elk, Eastern Elk, Manitoba Elk, California Tule Elk, Siberian Elk, Altai Maral, Tianshan Wapiti), but they all belong to one subspecies, Cervus canadensis canadensis.

I also erased the vandalism in the first paragraph saying that the deer is a retarded animal.--User: dlc_73 17:34 15 December 2006

You know, childish and idiotic as that vandalism was, for some reason that really tickled me this morning. (Keep in mind I'm incredibly jet-lagged right now, but still.)--Raulpascal 15:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Snow on a Deer's back can stay for hours.

"Snow on a Deer's back can stay for hours." Is this some joke or is it someone stating a fact. It doesnt seem to fit into the article at all. --Viren 09:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White deer

The article was PRODed. I and another prod patroller weren't sure what to do with it, so we are bumping it to AFD for wider input. GRBerry 03:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Fossil deer?

All the deer on the taxonomic list are still alive (or perhaps recently extinct). It would be nice to list a few extinct species, such as Megaloceros or Sivatherium. 71.217.114.221 22:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I've added a few. Although not Sivatherium, as that's a giraffe.Anaxial (talk) 23:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I updated a more fulling, but yet still incomplete taxonomic list of the extinct species. Does anyone know a list that contains ALL the valid, fossil species? It could really use some help. 4444hhhh (talk) 16:46, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

New article: Reindeer hunting in Greenland

I have finally gone public with my new article:

• Reindeer hunting in Greenland

-- Fyslee/talk 07:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Obvious Contradiction

From the article, Quote 1: "The antlers grow wrapped in a thick layer of velvet and remain that way for several months, until the bone inside is hard; later the velvet is torn away (not shed contrary to popular belief)."

Quote 2, just a few paragraphs down: "Antlers grow as highly vascular spongy tissue covered in a skin called velvet. Before the beginning of a species' mating season, the antlers calcify under the velvet and become hard. The velvet is then shed leaving hard bone antlers."

I'm not sure which part is correct. As it stands now, this article contradicts itself. Rearden Metal 11:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Where's the black-tailed deer?

there seems to be a structural issue or something.--- Black-tailed deer have a page but you can't get there from here......Rvannatta 00:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

This is another (less common) name for the mule deer. I've added this info to the species list, to clarify the situation. Anaxial (talk) 23:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Lifespan?

Anyone know the average lifespan of a deer? ^8thstar 14:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Depends on the species. Whitetail I believe only live about 5 years or so, barring car crashes. --Raulpascal 15:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Fix antler section

Someone needs to fix the antler section, as there's a sentence that's broken. I can't because it's locked. The text from 12/07 is: "Before the beginning of a species' mating season, the antlers calcify under the velvet and become hard. The velvet is then torn away leaving hard bone antlers. After the mating season, the pedicle and the antler base are separated by a layer of tissue, and the antler falls off. " Jaiden0 (talk) 12:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Evidently, the article is no longer locked. I have made the correction. Kostaki mou (talk) 03:27, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Antler picture

I was considering replacing the first picture in the antler section with my picture of a deer with a missing antler, but I don't think it is quite clear enough in the small size. The larger size is useful for showing that an antler is shed, but I don't know how to change this image to show that better in the small size.

Mule deer with a missing antler

Hustvedt (talk) 21:08, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Question

What happens to all those antlers that are shed? 205.250.187.19 21:43, August 3, 2008 (UTC)

Deer antlers are rich in nutrients are consumed by rodents such as squirrels. User:dlc_73 16:37, August 18, 2008 (UTC)

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African deerlike animals: Okapi

I changed "All other animals in Africa resembling deer are antelope." to "All other animals in Africa resembling deer are antelope or giraffids.", with the edit summary "Okapi".
User:Jamesontai has requested that I "provide an informative edit summary". I believe that I already did this, but, to clarify --
I believe that the Okapi is an African animal which resembles a deer. IMHO Okapia johnstoni is especially superficially similar to Cervus canadensis (females, or males when not in antler.)
-- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 16:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Elk

I object to the use of the word "elk" without any qualifier to refer to the American Elk. The original meaning of the word was Alces alces (called a moose in America). I made changes to correct this, but MONGO reverted my edit. I do not intend to discuss this anymore here, I just want to register my objection. Also pronghorns are not antelope. Eric Kvaalen (talk) 20:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Deer antler trade

We need something about trade in deer antlers, in China, either under 'Antlers' or 'Economic significance'. Cossaxx (talk) 18:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Facial gland

Which one does not have a facial gland in front of each eye? I need the species or the genus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.96.215.24 (talk) 14:33, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Domestication

I've seen a couple of stories about deer bonding with humans and was wondering how and why do deer become domesticated and how common this is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.237.68 (talk) 07:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

There are numerous cases where people adopt deer as pets, or at least, raise them in captivity, i.e., finding a fawn with a dead mother, etc. The only two deer that I can think of that are truly "domesticated" would be the Pierre David's Deer, which has been extinct in the wild for centuries, and the Lapland populations of reindeer, which is used for meat, and hide, and a beast of burden.--Mr Fink (talk) 16:13, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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