Talk:Dublin

Urban population

From the 2011 census, it is easy to get the city and metro population of Dublin, but what areas constitute urban Dublin and how is the population actually calculated? Tebibyte (talk) 15:55, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

This link should help http://www.cso.ie/census/documents/Prelim%20complete.pdf . Go to page 21 , it nreaks it down into Dublin City 525,838 Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown 206,995 Fingal 273,051 South Dublin 265,174 . A map on page three shows where they are . Hope this helps . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.197.59 (talk) 05:12, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, but the populations of Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown, Fingal and South Dublin include the urban as well as rural population. In the 2006 census, the population of urban Dublin was 1,045,769... how was this actually calculated? At present, the city and metro populations have been updated in the info box, however the urban population is still outdated (1,045,769 in 2006). I'm expecting the urban population is now approximately 1.1-1.2 million. Tebibyte (talk) 12:22, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Black Pool, specifically

I tried to add a page of information about the Black Pool that Dublin is literally named after. I feel like it would help make this page more into the "geographical category" you folks are searching for. However, it was tagged for speedy deletion because it apparently overlapped to much with this page and the History of Dublin one, so it no longer exists. Any suggestions? Or should I just add more to the information here? (BadgerRugger (talk) 15:24, 22 November 2011 (UTC)).

What are the subdivisions of Dublin?

Dublin can be politically broken down into six constituencies.

It can also be broken down into Walkinstown, Crumlin, Templeogue, etc.

The individual articles refer to these divisions as "suburbs" but that term is not widely used in Ireland - neither in informal conversation, nor in the media. So what are those things?

People usually say "What area are you from?" - but there's surely a more precise word than "area". Any ideas?

"Estates" also exist ("housing estates"), but they're subdivisions of the above "areas". The article List of Dublin postal districts uses the term "areas". Gronky (talk) 11:08, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

The lede

I've attempted to improve the lede by adding in the notable fact that Dublin is the largest city on the island of Ireland. Unfortunately, an editor has twice reverted this edit, with the erroneous and hostile claims that the edit is an "attempt to circumvent IMOS" and that "IMOS is clear on this issue".

IMOS states that "where the island of Ireland or Northern Ireland is being discussed in the same context or where confusion may arise ... use Republic of Ireland" - hence IMOS actually supports my edit. It would be ridiculous to say that Dublin is the largest city in Ireland and in Ireland. Mooretwin (talk) 11:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

You are attempting to introduce a factoid in the lead to 'justify' an unnecessary dab. See "When referring to places and settlements in the Republic of Ireland in the introduction to articles..." at WP:IRE-IRL. Couldn't be clearer. RashersTierney (talk) 11:42, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

No I'm not. Mooretwin (talk) 14:00, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Rashers is right clearly emphasise the fact of the island like [[Ireland|island of Ireland]] and refer to the state as [[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]] as per WP:IRE-IRL.Murry1975 (talk) 13:04, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

But you can't do that in the same sentence. To avoid confusion, per IMOS, we need to spell out "island of Ireland" and "Republic of Ireland". Mooretwin (talk) 14:00, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

The example given "Ireland is a state in Europe occupying most of the island of Ireland". The exact case of your point. I think that solves that usage.Murry1975 (talk) 14:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

So you're suggesting we should say Dublin is the biggest city in Ireland and on the island of Ireland? Seems very unnatural. Mooretwin (talk) 15:00, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

No thats what your saying, I am just showing you how it should be done."Dublin is the biggest city in Ireland and on the island of Ireland". It seems unnatural? lol.Murry1975 (talk) 15:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

No I'm saying it should say Dublin is the biggest city in the Republic of Ireland and on the island of Ireland. Yes, it seems unnatural, and confusing, to refer to "Ireland" and "the island of Ireland" in the same sentence. Mooretwin (talk) 15:25, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

To me it seems unnatural and confusing that you want to edit against IMOS guidelines and then raise it on the talk page when it fails and gets edited out.Murry1975 (talk) 15:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't want to edit against IMOS guidelines and I'm not proposing to. The guidelines say where there may be confusion, use ROI. Mooretwin (talk) 16:09, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

The example in the guidelines is the one I have given. It also states in the lead use [[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]]. Murry1975 (talk) 17:19, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but that's where there's no prospect of confusion arising. You need to read the whole guideline. Mooretwin (talk) 23:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

And where will confusion arise by following the ACTUAL example("Ireland is a state in Europe occupying most of the island of Ireland") or again is there a reason you want to edit against IMOS? Murry1975 (talk) 23:28, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, obviously because readers may not understand that the state calling itself "Ireland" is not actually coterminous with Ireland. Mooretwin (talk) 23:31, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

You mean state with island? The name of the state is Ireland, the island is clearly differentiated in the sentence. Editing your opinion against what IMOS states and clearly shows as an example isnt very good. Are you on a one revert per article per week probation ? If you are these [1] [2] four days apart dont seem to concur with that.Murry1975 (talk) 23:47, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not aware of such a probation. Where did you hear about this? Mooretwin (talk) 23:57, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Here [3] and you have it on your block log. [4] only the duration of the block was reduced not the lenght of probation, so I take it you dont read these things?Murry1975 (talk) 00:05, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Actually probably clearer here [5] "Independently of the block or ban, I am also re-imposing the one revert per week probation upon Mooretwin for an indefinite duration". This help you ?Murry1975 (talk) 00:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

How on earth did you find that and how on earth could you be bothered. I'd forgotten all about it, but the "indefinite probation" was overturned nearly two years ago. Mooretwin (talk) 01:20, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Block log, told you where I found it. An indef probition is a bit long, but it doesnt state the the prohibiton was reduced on the block log "changed block settings for Mooretwin (talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 2010-02-16T22:07:18Z (account creation blocked) ‎ (Reducing block, per discussion at AE: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=344006251#Result_concerning_Mooretwin)". Why was I bothered? I was curious. I am quite curious bud, you may have noticed that. I read things, alot.Murry1975 (talk) 01:44, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

[6], [7] a bone to chew? Continually editing against IMOS. I have read over your edits and interacted with you in good faith on here. But the same record all the time. Murry1975 (talk) 02:00, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Probation isn't a block so I guess that's why it's not on the block log? Mooretwin (talk) 09:55, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Info Box

While fixing some odd editing I realised that the 2006 census breakdown contains Irish Traveller as an ethnic group, but in Ireland they are not classed as such but a socail group. Is there a reason for this discretion for this? Murry1975 (talk) 21:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)