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Citizens

The aristocracy was of Latin extraction. The population itself was mostly of Latin origin until the 17th century, when the Slavic migrations from the surrounding countries increased.

This should receive a direct reference. It is hard to believe that after centuries of intense contact with surrounding Slavic masses that Dubrovnikans remained of "Latin descent", even if they themselves believed to be so and spoke Dalmatian Hxseek (talk) 04:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

There was also a strong immigration stream of Vlachs, and I feel sorry to note, Vlach sheppards were not of Slavic descent, but rather Illyro-romans. Many books and articles are reliable sources.--Deguef (talk) 11:27, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

To change the names of many poets,noble families etc with croatians names is to ofend them and their memory.Their names were latins, dalmatians and italians, no croarians.They fighted aginst the croatization of Ragusa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.81.25.46 (talk) 15:10, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Here guys, u must post informations no propaganda.Changing dalmatian or italian names with croatian is a dum propaganda.For exemple Francesco Ghetaldi-Gondola, he was the leader of the italian faction he was not a croatian.Ruggero GiuseppeBoskovih, was of Ragusian father(of italian language) and italian mother (from Milan) he never spoke or wrote something in a slavic language and also he hated slavic peoples (he was racist, sorry), and why u say that he is croatian and u change is name with a croatian name? Flora Zuzzeri was a dalmatian poetes of italian mother language , why now u want to give her a croatian name? U can say that they are from Dubrovnik, now Croatia, but u cannot say they are croatian.Because all them were dalmatian of italian/venetian mother language.Respect the historical truth, here there is not space for stupid propaganda.Grow up boys, don't remain in the XIX century, in the era of the stupid nationalism that caused many dammages and murders in Europe and in Croatia too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eltio123 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Better picture

I have a potentially better picture to head this article than the current one. It is of higher quality thus shows more detail of the town. This is the picture in question: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dubrovnik_042.jpg

If no response is given within a few days, I will replace the pictures myself. --Michaelphillipr (talk) 10:45, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

former name

Shouldn't it say that the city was known as Ragusa prior to the 20th century?--24.207.192.52 (talk) 17:35, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

You've stuck your hand right into the wasp nest there... The mayor of Yurp (talk) 17:47, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Current disagreement/edit war

There appears to be an edit war going on at the moment about the People from Dubrovnik section

I do not really have an opinion of what the names 'should be'

Perhaps we should delete the whole section if it is causing so much trouble?

Many other articles have removed the notable people sections for this reason

Perhaps the section should be made into a separate article?

I have made a copy of the whole section here, and suggest we discuss problems here in order to achieve a solution to the current situation. -- Marek.69 ^talk 18:27, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

People from Dubrovnik

• Franco Sacchetti (1332–1400): Italian poet
• Milan Rešetar (1860–1942) linguist, Ragusologist and historian.
• Matija Ban (1818–1903) poet, dramatist, and playwright
• Stijepo Kobasica (1882–1944), Serbian journalist, author and politician.
• Ivan Stojanović (1829–1900): Catholic priest, writer
• Marko Murat (1864–1944) Serbian painter
• Mato Vodopić (1816–1893) bishop of Dubrovnik, poet
• Francesco Maria Appendini (1768–1837): Italian priest, philogist, linguistic.
• Vito Maria Bettera-Vodopić (1771–1841) - military, politician, ragusan patriotic.
• Antun Paško Kazali (1815–1894): Catholic priest, writer
• Marin Držić (1508–1567): Croatian playwright and prose writer
• Mavro Vetranović (1482–1576): Croatian poet and prose writer
• Cvijeta Zuzorić (c. 1552–c. 1600): poetess
• Dinko Zlatarić (1558–1613): Croatian poet and translator
• Marin Getaldić (1568–1626): scientist
• Ivan Gundulić (1589–1638): Croatian poet
• Ruđer Bošković (1711–1787): scientist, diplomat and poet
• Vlaho Getaldić (1788–1872): politician, noble, poet
• Niko Pucić (1820–1883): politician and nobleman
• Medo Pucić (1821–1882): writer, politician and nobleman
• Federico Seismit-Doda (1825–1893): Italian politician
• Frano Getaldić-Gundulić (1833–1899): soldier, statesman, nobleman, Knight of Malta
• Pero Budmani (1835–1914): linguist
• Vlaho Bukovac (1855–1922): Croatian painter
• Ivo Vojnović (1857–1929): writer
• Antun Fabris (1864–1904): Serbian journalist and politician
• Frano Supilo (1870–1917): Croatian politician, journalist and publicist
• Blagoje Bersa (1873–1934), Croatian musician
• Miho Klaić (1829–1896), Croatian politician
• Joakim Stulli (1729–1817), Croatian Franciscan, lexicographer
• Bernard Stulli (1915–1985), Croatian archivist and historican
• Vlaho Stulli (1768–1843), Croatian comedian
• Eduard Miloslavić (1884–1952): scientist
• Ignjat Job (1895–1936), Croatian painter
• Branko Bauer (born 1921): Croatian film director
• Ottavio Missoni (born 1921): Italian fashion designer
• Tereza Kesovija (born 1938): Croatian singer
• Antun Vujić (born 1945): Croatian politician and philosopher
• Božo Vuletić (born 1958): Croatian waterpolo player, Olympic gold medalist
• Goran Sukno (born 1959): Croatian waterpolo player, Olympic gold medalist
• Veselin Đuho (born 1960): Croatian waterpolo player and coach, double Olympic gold medalist
• Milan Milišić (1941–1991) Serbian poet and playwright.
• Slaven Tolj (born 1964): Croatian artist
• Mario Kopić (born 1965): Croatian philosopher
• Emir Spahić (born 1980): Bosnian football player (Montpellier HSC).
• Srđan Lakić (born 1983): Croatian football player (1. FC Kaiserslautern).
• Sanja Jovanović (born 1986): Olympic swimmer
• Ante Tomić (born 1987): Basketball player

Italian IP is replacing Croatian names with Italian ones. I haven't been involved with this article before but it seems like a long-term problem. In any case, the list contains red links and is completely unreferenced and as such unacceptable per WP:LISTPEOPLE. Moreover, most city articles do not have lists of notable inhabitants and I don't think this section adds anything to the article. This section should be removed and maybe copied to a standalone list article resembling List of people from Dublin or List of people from Boston. Timbouctou (talk) 19:05, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

The solution could be put croatian and italian names together. Mostly of them are dalmatians (romance nation), or italian.So that is not rigt that the ultranationalis of Croatia want to destiy the dalmatian and italian heritage and memory of Dalmatia, were the croatian was only one of the three groups, and the high society was mostly of italian/venetian culture, and for nothing slavic. For example Francesco Ghetaldi-Gondola was the chief of the italian faction in Ragusa, and now it's became a croatian that's fool! Ruggero Giuseppe Boskovich hated croatians, he was racist, sorry and now he is croatian. Niko Pucic, had birth name Nicola Pozza, when he entered to the croatian party he wanted that people call him Niko PUCIC, anyway hi family's name was Pozza also if he didn't like it. Flora Zuzzeri was a poetess in italian language, and now she is a croatian poetes that is unaceptable! Wickipedia mustn't allow to the croatian ultranationalist to use it for their false propaganda. Dalmatia was a multicultural region with many dalmatians and italians, not only croatians!. It's also ridicul say that dalmatian people that are not slavics are croatians.They lived under the Ragusa republic so they couldn't be Croatian, but Ragusian or Dalmatian no croatians of course, especialy when they were of dalmatian or italian family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eltio123 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Since the policy on article titles already requires us to use most commonly used names for people, I don't see why they shouldn't be listed with the names as they are in their respective article titles. But I might be wrong. Still, all the more reason to move the whole thing somewhere else so you and other editors can engage in fruitful and wholesome debates on Ragusan history without others impeding your philanthropic endeavours. Timbouctou (talk) 21:06, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but they are not the most comonly used names, they are the most used names in Croatia, and in internet they are listed with croatians names only because the croatian cancel inmuediatly the true names when somebody list them with iatlian,dalmatian or any other name that is not croatian.It's so also with hungarian names or germans sometimes.The name of that process is croatization, and w.p wouldn't have to suport tha Propaganga but to help the truth and knowledge only. Also with Marco Polo, now, they are trying to transform his name in Marko Polo, the Croatian explorer. Cause he spent a few days in a jail in one isle in present croatian territory.The isle of Curzola (Kurcola in Croatian).

I think the debate on Marco Polo is pointless, but those who think he's Croatian base their claim on the idea that he was born on Korčula. Anyhow, I moved the section to List of people from Dubrovnik because it was inappropriate here. Timbouctou (talk) 07:54, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

I think that's the best idea. There were way too many people on the list, it is better for the list to have its own page. Discussion over names can thus be transfered to that Discussion page if needed. --Jesuislafete (talk) 08:29, 24 September 2011 (UTC)