Talk:Dwight D. Eisenhower

Source for reactivation post-Presidency

http://eisenhower.archives.gov/All_About_Ike/Post_Presidential/Post_Presidential.html (The website is not Firefox compatible, use IE Tab if using Firefox)

UFOs?

I'm wondering if a new section could, should be added as I just read, "EX US President Eisenhower was briefed about the presence of extraterrestrial intelligent beings on Earth and was invited to meet alien visitors. Henry W. McElroy, Jr, retiring State Representative to New Hampshire, declared this week that former US President Eisenhower was briefed about the presence of extraterrestrial intelligent beings on Earth.

McElroy also said that the document he viewed while at the State Legislature made referrence to the opportunity for Eisenhower to meet the alien visitors.

The Daily Telegraph May 25, 2010 9:00AM

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/weird/president-told-aliens-are-on-earth/story-e6frev20-1225870887598?from=public_rss"Matthew 19:14, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Need a way better source than that (or the many blogs and such repeating the same story). --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 19:19, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Iran and Suez

I believe the Iranian coup d'etat warrants mention in the introduction since it is a highly controversial event (the United States and United Kingdom deposing an elected leader of a country in order to restore a dictator to power). The foreign policy section ought to mention the fact that no less a person than his own Vice President Richard Nixon claimed that Eisenhower later regretted saving Colonel Nasser in 1956. Also Roger Makins' contemporary account of the secret discussions between Eisenhower and Harold Macmillan at the White House on 25 September 1956 largely confirmed Macmillan's account of the meeting - that Eisenhower talked of the US and UK cooperating to overthrow Nasser, and that the main objective was regime change rather than ownership of the Canal. (92.7.14.190 (talk) 20:15, 12 December 2011 (UTC))

The king of the country (Shah) was not restored to power in the coup. He was in power before, and he was still in power afterward. The coup removed Mosaddegh as prime minister and replaced him with another man more friendly to British and US interests.

Mosaddegh was elected in a farcical election with 99.9% of the results favoring him, and the results seriously questioned by contemporary accounts and by later scholars. Your word 'elected' emphasized Mosaddegh's election unnecessarily, increasing the sense of his legitimacy beyond the fact that he did indeed win the election, by whatever means.

There is no need to argue the importance of the action; it is described in the article body, so it can be mentioned in the lead section per WP:LEAD. The reason people have continually reverted your addition is because of the non-neutral wording you selected. Binksternet (talk) 20:30, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I was just worried readers might wonder why Eisenhower was reluctant to remove Colonel Nasser in the same way after he had declared himself President of Egypt in a rigged election. (92.7.14.190 (talk) 20:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC))

That kind of analysis is fit for the article body, not for the lead section. Binksternet (talk) 20:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Ike was very clear why the British-French-Israeli move was a very bad idea and he never changed his mind. see Eisenhower and Israel: U.S.-Israeli relations, 1953-1960 By Isaac Alteras p 192 online Rjensen (talk) 02:46, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

The United States already had its own plan to bring down Nasser by political and financial means rather than the use of force. The UK's ambassador to Washington Roger Makins was at the secret White House meeting on 25 September, his contemporary report of what was said shows Eisenhower did discuss regime change for Egypt. Furthermore it is worth mentioning that Nixon said Eisenhower told him he regretted saving the Egyptian dictator. (92.7.6.232 (talk) 14:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC))

Meeting with Macmillan

As relayed in Charles Williams' book, Ambassador Makins' official account at the time of the conversation between Eisenhower and Harold Macmillan records Eisenhower talking about the need to "bring Nasser down", which the President agreed was the main issue rather than the Suez Canal. This needs to be mentioned, as it is therefore not surprising that Macmillan assumed the US government would support the military attempt to remove Nasser. (MuammarGunshot (talk) 18:14, 12 January 2012 (UTC))

You appear to want to exonerate Macmillan in his communication to Eden that the USA was behind an invasion. What Williams says Makins' said is that Macmillan heard one thing and assumed another. In other words, Macmillan is not exonerated by Williams or Makins. He still heard one thing and assumed another.

Other reliable sources say that Macmillan gave Eden a false sense of US acceptance of invasion, so Williams is not the only voice.

At any rate, Eisenhower's role in the meeting does not change in any of the versions. Nobody says Ike was trying to fool Macmillan. This Eisenhower biography does not need to spend energy in saving Macmillan's reputation. Binksternet (talk) 19:13, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

The original poster is another sockpuppet of HarveyCarter. This page is full of 'em! Be aware of POV pushing and repeated immediate reversions. Binksternet (talk) 20:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

David?

According to here:

President Eisenhower was born David Dwight Eisenhower, not Dwight David Eisenhower as some sources report. His family had always addressed him by his middle name (Dwight) to differentiate him from his father, who was also named David, and later came to be known as Dwight David Eisenhower. Birth records, the Eisenhower family bible, and the Eisenhower's themselves, all confirm he was born David Dwight Eisenhower, and later transposed his first and middle names.

--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 20:32, 20 January 2012 (UTC)