Talk:Earl of Essex

Would it be correct to say the Earldom was dormant from 1981 to 1989? After all, it wasn't all settled and the 10th Earl wasn't declared to be as such until 1989... Matjlav 01:42, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Not really. A title can only really be currently dormant — once it is known who the heir is, they are considered to have held the title during all of the dormancy. A better term would be "recognised 1989", as it would more accurately represent the legal situation. Proteus (Talk) 12:13, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Look at the Earl of Devon article. They use basically the same setup.

It's in the news again http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=958935, looks like a retired Californian may become the 11th Earl.206.156.242.39 16:13, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

That would be William Jennings Capell they're talking about, who is already in the article. Matjlav 17:12, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

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Is it Baron Capel or Baron Capell? -- SGBailey 10:41, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

It's "Capell". I've changed the article. Proteus (Talk) 10:56, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

In the article about the current 10th Earl it refers to The Hon John Capel - I'll cahnge that to Capell as well. -- SGBailey 09:16, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Capell

Some of the earls chose to drop one of the 'l's whilst spelling their surnames, untill the 6th Earl resurrected it.

However, the 1st Baron's name was Arthur Capell, with two 'l's. And the title was Baron Capell of Hadham, in the county of Hertford. i.e. the comma was after 'Hadham', which would make Hadham a part of the main title, and not the territorial designation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cicera (talk • contribs) 10:09, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

POV

Currently the article states "Earl of Essex is a title that has been held by several families and individuals, of which the best-known and most closely associated with the title was Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex (1566–1601)."

It depends on which area of history one is interested in Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex is well known but so is Robert Devereux, 3rd Earl of Essex the general who lead the Parliamentary armies in their first major Battles of the English Civil War. --PBS (talk) 08:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

What's the reality of 2nd and 3rd creations ?

For Nicholas Vincent (‘Bohun, Humphrey (IV) de, second earl of Hereford and seventh earl of Essex (d. 1275)’, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004; online edn, May 2010), as you can read in the title of the article, Humphrey is the 7th Earl. For David Walker (‘Bohun, Henry de, first earl of Hereford (c.1175–1220)’, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004; online edn, Jan 2009), his mother Mathida successed to William FitzGeoffrey de Mandeville, 3rd Earl of Essex, her brother, in her own right (suo jure) from 1198 to her death in 1236. Both historians state that her son Humphrey then inherited the Earldom.

F. J. West (‘Geoffrey fitz Peter, fourth earl of Essex (d. 1213)’, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004; online edn, Jan 2008) writes that Geoffrey paid to receive the 3rd penny of the county but not received the title. At John's coronation, he had a sword of Earl.

So it seems historians consider the title was dormant between 1189 and 1199. I don't have a source for that. Do you ? Changes need to be done to the article. Agree ? PurpleHz (talk) 19:00, 17 October 2010 (UTC)