Talk:European Russia

Explaining the term

Andrew Alexander, are you trying to whitewash Russian history and make it look like this wasn't an empire but a friendly place where all nations were treated like VIPs? The official 1897 census which is quoted in "Ukrainian language" used the term "European Russia" (Jevropejska Rossija) to refer to all the traditional East Slavic lands within the empire. By removing the explanation, you are pretending that this "big brother" attitude (to be kind) didn't exist, implying that achieving Ukrainian self-identity and national status hasn't been a struggle. Get it? Those terms aren't being "revived"; this is a reference. It's a historic fact with very important implications.

Finally, you're removing a valuable reference. When the census was quoted there, the first thing I did was click on the link here to confirm exactly what was meant by "European Russia" in that context. Of course, there was nothing relevant, and I had to use other sources to confirm, but if I had just relied on this article as it stood I wouldn't have realized that Ukraine and Belarus were being tossed in with Russia by that census. —Michael Z. 2006-01-30 04:43 Z

I just thought that that sentence is irrelevant to this article. The reason is, no one currently includes Prussia in "East Germany", Vladivostok in "North-East China", Russia in "West Golden Horde", etc. At least provide some reference for that sentence (and what about Finland, Poland, Moldova? Were they not "European Russia" too?). Best, move it into "History of Russia" or some more relevant article.--Andrew Alexander 04:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

The reference is the source of the 1897 census data, which I assume quotes the original census, and divides up the Empire into Европейская Россия, Привислинские губернии, Кавказ, Сибирь, and Средняя Азия. If it includes more parts, they should be mentioned too; maybe I incorrectly assumed that the scope of "Rossija" referred to the ethnic homeland of "all Russians". [1]

This is a case where the exact term "European Russia" had a different meaning than one might expect in its historical Russian context, and was potentially confusing if quoted in another article, so an explanation here would be warranted (in contrast to the examples you present). —Michael Z. 2006-01-30 06:12 Z

"Asian Russia" (?)

This page starts out: "European Russia refer to the western areas of Russia that lie within Europe."
MY QUERY: What is the accepted English-language term for the eastern areas? -- Thanks, Deborahjay 09:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the English language, but in Russian they're called Syberia and the (Russian) Far East. They are rarely united into a single entity. These are the largest possible groups that are used with relative frequency. The term "Asian Russia" is exceptionally rare. Humanophage 10:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Is it worth writing a page Asian Russia, if only to list the cities and regions, including Siberia, and discuss the population? There are about 35,000,000 people living there, which is more than live in all of Canada. The total surface area is around 13,000,000 km^2 (again, larger than Canada). samwaltz 10:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind. I just did a modicum of research. It looks like all of Russia east of the Urals are Siberia, right? I'll just redirect Asian Russia to Siberia. samwaltz 10:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

POPULATION PER SQUARE KILOMETER IN EUROPEAN RUSSIA AND SIBERIA

If European Russia has 78% of the Russian population (110 million people out of 142 million) then that means 27 people per square Kilometer, not per square mile. Correct that.

If 22% of the Russian population (31 million people out of 142 million) lives in Siberia (Asian part of Russia) and Siberia has 13 million Kilometers...that means around 2,4 people per square Kilometer,not per square mile. Correct that.

European Russia and Siberia is similar to talk about USA and Canada. While the European, warmer part, has 110 million people in 4 million sq. Kms and 27 people/sq Km (not far from the US Contiguous states´ 35) Siberia (Asian Russia) has 2.4 people/sq. Km (not far from Canada´s 3.3)

There's a problem with the population per square mile statistics. A square mile covers more area than a square kilometer. The article claims that in European Russia, there are 27 people per square kilometer. The article claims that this is equivalent to 10.5 people per square mile. This is impossible. The number of people per square mile should be higher than 27, assuming the first statistics is correct. 70.176.124.120 (talk) 23:26, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in European Russia

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of European Russia's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "cia":

• From Ukraine: "Ukraine". CIA World Factbook. December 13, 2007. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/up.html. Retrieved 2007-12-24. 
• From Russia: The World Factbook. "CIA". Central Intelligence Agency. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/rs.html. Retrieved 2007-12-26. 
• From History of Russia: CIA World Fact Book - Russia
• From Demographics of Russia: Russia CIA World Factbook CIA World Factbook updated 6 March, 2008

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 01:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)