Talk:Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor

Kings and Nobles illiterate in Frederic II time ? No

The time of Frederic II is the time of Courteous Love : The nobles have to be reader and writer of poetry, according to the rules set by Alienor of Aquitaine, queen of France and latter of England. Even in the time of Charlemagne (Charles the Great), i. e. 9th century, this emperor was able to discuss philosophy, litterature and rethoric with the Intelligentsia of the time (CAHILL, "How the Irish Saved Civilization", p.206-207) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.56.0.131 (talk • contribs) 03:27 3 April 2006 (UTC).

Isabella, third wife

While this certainly isn't Isabella's own article, there should probably be more information about her, because she helps to define that area of Frederick's life. Just a few quick facts (which you can actually view at her article):

--Isabella was kept under lock and key.

--Isabella's own brother had to beg Frederick to see Isabella.

--She had four children through Frederick (this is mentioned, but I think all of his children need a little more information in this article).

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.13.13.245 (talk • contribs) 13:44 10 July 2006 (UTC).

No king of Cyprus

Frederick II was no king of Cyprus, see David Abulafia, Frederick II, A Medieval Emperor, Pag.117: "His authority in Cyprus was derived from the creation of a Cypriot kingdom by Henry VI; it was the authority, as Frederick himself insisted, of the Roman emperor over a subject kingdom". J.R.Cartier (talk) 20:59, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Personality

At his coronation, he may have worn the red silk mantle that had been crafted during the reign of Roger II. More recent research (de:Friedrich II. (HRR)#cite note-8) indicates, that he wore a mantle noew in the Metz Cathedral more probably (cf. [1]). --ThT (talk) 06:00, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor, Italian?

Someone is insisting that he should be included in the List of Italians (see discussion there), and backing the claim with the (unpresented) opinions of some eight Italian historians and a link to a "vote for your favourite Italian" webpage. Any thoughts on the matter? Brutal Deluxe (talk) 14:38, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, his mother was Sicilian from a family of Normans, he was born in Jesi, and spend most of his life in (what is now) Italy. The List of Italians seems to refer to a rather vague concept of Italy including almost anyone from Etruscans to present people. Frederick II is known in Italy as Federico and seems to be seen as an important part of Italian history. --ThT (talk) 08:28, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

"Illegitimate" and "Holy"

The "illegitimate" term, and the "Holy" in "Holy Roman Emperor" as well, seem to me to be attempts to pawn off a point of view of one class of readers as objective, universally-acceptable descriptions, which they are not. The salient facts seem to be whether a child was born in or out of wedlock, and in Frederick II's case the nature of the wedlock and who recognized it seemed to be at issue. For some readers, these could be vital details. How these affected the decision making of the various actors is of interest, and this is relevant to the article. But the term "illegitimate" and "holy" seem to just add a layer of haze when they are not represented as stemming from a particular point of view. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 13:05, 30 July 2011 (UTC)