Talk:Gdańsk

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For Gdańsk, use the name Danzig between 1308 and 1945 For Gdańsk, use the name Gdańsk before 1308 and after 1945 In biographies of clearly German persons, the name should be used in the form Danzig (Gdańsk) and later Danzig exclusively In biographies of clearly Polish persons, the name should be used in the form Gdańsk (Danzig) and later Gdańsk exclusively. For Gdansk and other locations that share a history between Germany and Poland, the first reference of one name in an article should also include a reference to other names, e.g. Danzig (now Gdańsk, Poland) or Gdańsk (Danzig). An English language reference that primarily uses this name should be provided on the talk page if a dispute arises. Reverts to conform with community consensus are excluded from the three-revert rule (3RR). Only the place names can be reverted exempt from the 3RR according to the outcome of this vote, additional changes fall again under the 3RR. Please use descriptive edit summaries. Persistent reverts against community consensus despite multiple warnings may be dealt with according to the rules in Wikipedia:Dealing with vandalism. In case of doubt, assume good faith and do not bite newcomers. The detailed vote results and the vote itself can be found on Talk:Gdansk/Vote. This vote has ended; please do not vote anymore. Comments and discussions can be added to Talk:Gdansk/Vote/discussion anytime. This template {{Gdansk-Vote-Notice}} can be added on the talk page of affected articles if necessary.

English Article, English Name?

Hi just wondered whether or not we should be naming cities with their English name on the English Speaking Wikipedia. First of all i'm going to keep this to Europe to avoid any more problems. Shouldn't there be some sort of convention or rule.

Milan is not Milano

Turin is not Torino

Nuremburg is not Nurnberg

Munich is not Munchen

Cardiff is not Caerdydd

etc

following on from these, shouldn't Gdansk be Danzig —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.241.73.130 (talk) 13:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, following your logic it should be called Gdansk. I can't speak for the rest of the English-speaking world, but in the U.S. it has been called Gdansk since WW2 and most certainly at least since the Solidarity movement started in the shipyards there in the 80's. I was born in the early 70s in the U.S. and grew up hearing and reading about Gdansk. I have never heard it called Danzig except in historical context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.228.182.150 (talk) 21:26, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

This points out the reason Wik doesn't like to use personal experience. I, too, am an American, and I never heard it called Gdansk until the Solidarity movement. It was always Danzig in school and in history books and in the rare other occasions when the name came up. (By the way, this comment is not an attempt to argue one way or the other on the Wik entry's name.)Kdammers (talk) 00:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

It's a general phenomenon, in other languages as well as in English, that the old names for foreign place names are gradually being replaced by their modern local names. Only a few names that are used a lot can resist this change in the long term. The usual regularisation forces of language used to work towards making foreign names more similar to the 'host' language. But this doesn't scale to the huge number of foreign place names that we are now exposed to all the time. Due to globalisation we have a lot of contact with foreign place names for which no versions in other languages exist yet. The most regular way of treating all place names would therefore be to just use the original names. We seem to be headed that way. Hans Adler 11:04, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

population is about 457.000 ,not 435.000

Population

Hey there i found a litle mistake about population in this city ( where i come from :D ) , and at Polish Wikipedia the population is about 457.000 people in June 2010 . I know what i say because there is many traffics in the city , high schools in Gdansk are full of students ,so i think you could edit the population .

Thanks

Adrian Witkowski , Gdansk . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.77.220 (talk) 19:50, 28 April 2011 (UTC) http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gda%C5%84sk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.122.95 (talk) 09:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Reminder

Quoted content or titles are not subject to Gdańsk vote-only content entered by Wikipedians. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 20:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Please provide a source that Isaak van dem Blocke used the term "Gdańsk" for his painting. That modern Polish sources use this name isn't surprising but irrelevant for the Gdańsk vote. HerkusMonte (talk) 06:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

What matters is that this appears to be the title used in English. A google search for "Allegory of Danzig trade" brings up 1 hit, this Wikipedia page [1]. A search for "Allegory of Gdansk trade" brings up numerous hits, including sales of reproductions, galleries, etc. For example [2], [3], [4], [5] and so on (270+ hits).Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

That modern sources might use the modern name of the place is irrelevant for the usage of Danzig/Gdansk here. Did van dem Blocke name his painting "Gdansk"? That would be a quote/title, unless a reliable source makes such a claim we should follow the established wikipolicy. HerkusMonte (talk) 06:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

No, we use the title that modern sources use. It's a TITLE of a painting. You can't change what the title is no more than I could change the title of a book named something like "History of Danzig" just because it covers the pre 1308/post 1945 period if it was somehow mentioned somewhere.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:44, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

It's a description, not a title. However, as the image is obviously used to circumvent wording and spirit of the Gdansk vote, I replaced it with a neutral city view. HerkusMonte (talk) 06:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

According to the sources given above it is indeed the title. Just not one you like. But that's OR and neither here nor there. The fact that you want to remove the word "Gdansk" from the article is not a good enough reason to remove a very nice image from the article.Volunteer Marek (talk) 14:17, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Here is the The Grove encyclopedia of northern Renaissance art, from Oxford University Press, 2009, which gives the title of the painting as Apotheosis of Gdańsk.Volunteer Marek (talk) 15:37, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Here is a travel guide, written NOT by Poles, published by Penguin, which also gives the same title [6]. I'd be ok with titling the work Apotheosis of Gdańsk, though most sources also refer to the fact that it depicts the city's trade.Volunteer Marek (talk) 15:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Here is another [7].Volunteer Marek (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Gdansk really Polish?

To my knowledge, there is no particular explanation for the word Gdansk. Gdansk is Kashubian and that would imply it is not a Polish foundation. Similar to Gdansk is Gdynia or Gdingen, the two locations are close to each other and obviously the beginning with Gd has a significance. It is said that Gd refers to "Goth" or "gothic", which would indicate that originally there was a Gothic settlement. The ending ansk in Gdansk doesn't sound Polish either. Thereby, Gdansk was taken over as a Kashubian word into the related west slavic language of Polish for a urban location during the tribal era. Basically Danzig and Gdansk are etymologically the same for something that predates the arrival of slavic tribes.141.0.8.157 (talk) 19:51, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

B-class review: failed

For WP:POLAND. Reasons: insufficient references (at least one section unreferenced and tagged). In fact, considering a number of such section I am going to replace this template with a generic, article wide, refimprove needed one. insufficient coverage (at least one section - famous people - is just a see also section with no prose). Education and science is a list, too. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 22:57, 17 February 2012 (UTC)