Talk:Grantham

There is a script called Grantham (which shows up as Grantha in Wikipedia). This page should be a disambiguation page. Swami 19:33, 18 February 2006 (UTC)Saiswa

Pronunciation

Can we add a pronunciation to this page, for poor people like me who don't know whether to say 'granθam' or 'grant-ham'? Njál 00:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I second the request. Maybe those know the answer are uncomfortable with the International Phonetic Association (IPA) phonetic script prescribed for the encyclopedia page? If so, please just write out the answer here in English style, either "Grant-ham" or "Gran-tham". Hcunn (talk) 23:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

It's Gran-tham. --Placed at 17:01 on 21 April 2009 by 86.15.150.113

I can't believe this is a B Class article with no pronunciation guide. I added the pronunciation but it got removed. I can't believe anyone that isn't English would be able to pronounce this. Spiderone (talk) 15:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

If one is put, it should be in the same style as for Lincoln, using the Wikipedia:IPA for English. Not put as GRAN-tham or granth-AM, etc. --BSTemple (talk) 16:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I know, I was just hoping that someone would convert it into IPA Spiderone (talk) 17:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Newton and the apple

I've removed this text:

 Newton actually observed the apple falling off the tree at Boothby Pagnell, not Woolsthorpe.

as it has little to do with Grantham itself and, moreover, the claim is made with no backing and it's not even given a mention on the Isaac Newton page. davep 21:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Domesday Book?

Currently, I see competing claims on the same page. There is '...appeared as early as 1086 in the Domesday Book in its present form of Grantham' in Etymology (with a footnote making an effort to back this up), and yet the claims to a link to the Scottish 'Grahams' under Notable People (which sounds speculative and would really need a citation, IMHO, even if it's just a historic speculative assumption) states that 'Grantham is mentioned as "Graeg Ham"'. 62.49.25.104 09:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Art

I recall an exhibition of 'grantham school' paintings at the museum, with works dating from the early 20th century. Does anyone know anything about this? It would be a valuable addition--Brunnian (talk) 07:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Retail in Grantham

Is generally pretty damn fcuking sh!te —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.173.244 (talk) 16:52, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Adding Notable person. Removing sub heading. Ranking of notables.

I have added Doris Stokes, born and lived in Grantham, to 'Notable people'.

There was an Others subsection within Notable people. Apart from the internationally famous Newton and Thatcher, and that is still arguable, there shouldn't be an implied and subjective ranking within a Wikipedia Notable list. Some of those above the sub-section header seem no more notable than those below: Des Lynam and Graham Fellows (above) - Nicholas Parsons (below).

The thing might have just happened without intention: perhaps there was an original list; sombody added someone who they felt wasn't quite up to scratch, so added an 'Others' sub-header for their entry; following editors just carried on adding at the bottom.

If it was intentional, it might imply a non-Wikipedia:NPOV. I think it's better this way, and properly neutral in Wikipedia terms. The list would be even better if it was alphabetically ordered - I might give that a go sometime.

Acabashi (talk) 19:19, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Johnny Haddon Downes - BBC producer, and Richard Nauyokas

I have created a Wikipedia article for Johnny Haddon Downes, and linked it to his name already in 'Notable people'. He didn't come from Grantham, but attended The King's School, which is less tenuous than some in the Notable list, eg: Des Lynam lived here for one year - scraping the barrel there!

I have removed a (wrongly) blued but now dead link over Richard Nauyokas. Blue links are for linking to Wikipedia articles, so a suspicion of pretence and deception here. If Nauyokas is notable, and I think he probably is, then a Wikipedia article should be written about him. Any external links should be to the side of the name and linked to References, as with the Nauyokas IMDb link. External links to personal or promotional web sites are unacceptable for Wikipedia - see Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View and Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest.

Acabashi (talk) 12:58, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I have created a Richard Nauyokas content page and linked it in both to the Grantham page, and to other Wikipedia pages where he was already mentioned by name. — GrahamSmith (talk) 16:04, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Notable person Norman Shrapnel

I have created a stub article on Norman Shrapnel (1912–2004), political correspondent and author, and added it in more or less chronological order under Notable people.

He was a King's School Old Boy.

Acabashi (talk) 19:35, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Des Lynam - Harriet Hopkins

I have removed the reference to Harriet Hopkins previously added to the entry ‘Des Lynam’ under ‘Notable people’. This addition was made on 30 March 2008 by User AridCanyon as:

Des Lynam lived there with his mistress, Harriet Hopkins, from 2005 until 2006. The entry was edited, probably quite innocently, on 17 August 2008, by User:Nunquam Dormio, changing mistress to partner, that being a ‘More neutral term’.

There is no reference I can find on the web concerning a Harriet Hopkins with Des Lynam other than those which refer back to the Wikipedia article. Therefore, even if the relationship assertion was true, this addition violated Wikipedia:No original research. As there is no independently verified evidence for the assertion, (Wikipedia:Verifiability), in this article, the Des Lynam article, or on the web, the original entry should be considered Wikipedia:Vandalism.

Acabashi (talk) 20:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Grantham Castle

Have a look at This Pathe newsreel of Grantham Castle. Where is it? I reckon it is Harlaxton Manor, but don't know enough about the ownership history to be sure.--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 18:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

It is Harlaxton Manor - Pathé got it wrong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnCkp09Ue7k

Acabashi (talk) 11:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I was just studying the 1947 Ordnance survey map and Harlaxton Manor is labelled as Grantham Castle, so at the time of the Pathe Newsreel that was actually its name. 21st CENTURY GREENSTUFF 22:52, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Very odd. I was born (around that time) and brought up in Grantham and it was always known as Harlaxton Manor - perhaps it's a local thing - and it's not like a castle (not that means anything), not even like a fortified manor house. Perhaps Violet Van der Elst (owner at the time), a rather imperious and eccentric lady, aggrandised it. The manor itself was a 19th century build after the demolition of the previous (actually called) Harlaxton Manor. It would be interesting to see earlier maps. Sometimes the official thing gets it wrong. Middlesbrough was Middlesborough, until a civic official passed a paper to Whitehall spelling the town wrongly - the new spelling stuck. Acabashi (talk) 02:12, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Rationalising Notable people: 29 January 2011

I have added Thomas Paine as being a world-famous notable. The list is now in a Wikified neutral alphabetical order, showing no favouritism, apart from the ‘world-famous’ – it should be debated whether or not this distinction should be made. I have removed elongated descriptions against the names to a one or two word ident as found in subject articles’ intro sentences. I have removed unnecessary mini-biogs as such information would also be duplicated in subjects’ Wiki articles. Duplication is to be avoided. Extended information previously added to list names, if verifiable but not included in the subject’s article, should be added into the relevant article and cited there… thus with all future found information.

If there is no verifiable reference to Grantham association in Wiki articles, or elsewhere, then the ‘notable’ should be removed. On this basis I have removed Des Lynam: no reference in the subject’s Wiki article to Grantham association, and no reference to association on the web except that which refers back to this article, (Des Lynam vandalism entry that slipped under the radar, by IP 82.22.45.52, 19 March 2007, as "Des Lynam lived there with his mistress, Harriet Hopkins, from 2005-2006. So true dat so true!!") and personal comment in a Grantham Gingerbreads forum/blog (Aug 2008) [1]: “Didn't Des Lynam live in Grantham a few years ago? He must be worth a few bob. And Nicholas Parsons! While we're at it we could exhume Isaac Newton to see if he took any loose change with him!” – as we see, blogs and forums are a notoriously unreliable and unviable source for Wikipedia – for this Lynam entry, see Wikipedia:NOR and Wikipedia:NPOV. He may have lived in Grantham for a short time (notable?) but hearsay, however correct, is not proven truth for Wikipedia.

I have removed Stephen Lewis: no mention of Grantham in Wiki article, and only the mentions of his association on the web refer back to this article – suspected Original Research. Can be added back into list when cited evidence is forthcoming and added into his Wiki article.

William Stukeley and Graham Fellows, although appearing to have association with Grantham, need such evidence added into their Wiki articles – I have added ref links, which should go when the articles are amended – I might give it a go at some point.

Dates against certain names were not necessary – birth, death, and association dates should be found in relevant articles if viable.

Acabashi (talk) 17:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Gingerbread

The section on gingerbread is completely unsourced and inaccurate. Gingerbread is known to have existed well before 1740 - since the 14th century at least. It was very common in England before 1740, so it is unlikely that it was independently discovered in Grantham. This section should be deleted or re-written. A brief historical discussion, with sources, is found here: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1912/whats-the-origin-of-the-gingerbread-man — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.73.190.29 (talk) 17:11, 21 October 2011 (UTC)