Talk:Grito de Lares

Lares Outcry would be the more idiomatic rendering. Wetman 08:37, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Lares Uprising

The "Lares Cry" is also often refered to as the "Lares Uprising"

The correct translation of El Grito de Lares is: The Lares Uprise

The term "cry" refers more to crying with tears, the term "Shout" refers to scream, yell, so "cry of Lares" is wrongly used as the people involved in the uprising were not crying for independence, they were shouting for independence like the Shout of Dolores in Mexico. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.54.168.116 (talk) 11:31, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for your observation and edit. I agree with you 100%. Tony the Marine (talk) 17:15, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

• I disagree. Cry in the political sense means precisely what occured in Lares. If it's also referred to as the Lares Uprising, then so be it, but if the debate is between Cry and Shout, then Cry is the right word here. A Google search for Shout of Dolores returned 1.8 million entries, but for Cry of Dolores it returned 3.3 million entries. Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 02:06, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
• You made a valid point, Mercy. I should have clarified what I agreed with and that is the term "Lares Uprising", which is already in the intro. I don't agree with the "Shout" term. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:27, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

• Grito de Lares (The Cry of Lares) → Grito de Lares … Rationale: "Cry of Lares" is an translation of the better known name and doesn't need to be in the title --Cúchullain ^t/c 19:33, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was move to Grito de Lares. Joelito (talk) 23:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Survey

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• Support--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:33, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

*Oppose The Grito de Lares is the historical name and the name which readers will seek when researching. Do not attempt to change the name of a historical event to another language jsut to suite those who do not understand the name, that is why the "Lares Outcry" was placed between (). Tony the Marine

• Support --- Oops, I'm sorry that I misunderstood the proposal. I think that the summer heat is finally getting to my head. change my vote to support! Tony the Marine 01:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
• I support Cúchullain's proposal to move the article to Grito de Lares. Usually, parentheticals are only used in article titles to distinguish between deceptively similar things, not for translations. I think Grito de Lares is the best title, because even though we should generally prefer English language title, exceptions are made when something is best known by its native-language name, which is the case for the GdL. Alternate renderings, be they in English or Spanish, can be enumerated in the main article space, and can also serve as redirects.--Rockero 00:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Keep the original name of "Grito de Lares," I feel that the English translation has no place in this article. If they wish to translate it they can use Babelfish.--XLR8TION 02:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• Support and make The Cry of Lares, Cry of Lares etc redirects. Regards, David Kernow 03:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• Support Joelito (talk) 03:51, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• Support , Grito de Lares (in Puerto Rico) neither the Grito de Yara (in Cuba), can not be translated, they can be explained to english speakers, both are not "cries" which is a very bad translation to english, both are Independence revolts that proclaimed the establishment of the republic in both countries, that is the true meaning of Grito. --vertical 23:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• Support , since the few history buffs I know in the States tend to refer to the Grito using the Spanish name. "Grito" is a bit of an euphemism (since close to 600 people were arrested and jailed, it was more likely a major revolt), but it is the better known term. Agree with David that any other spellings should be redirects. Demf 12:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Support , I have never heard the term Cry of Lares in all of my research to the event as I wrote my Master's dissertation, and I read quite a bit of books in English. Like Vertical said, the correct translation of the term "Grito" isn't "Cry," which is merely a direct translation. The name in English should be "Lares Uprising" or Revolt. Smylere Snape 16:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

• Support and there can be redirects as indicated by David Kernow. Joaquin Murietta 22:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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Please help expanding this article

There's quite a lot to be added here: extra historical details on the reasons for the uprise (some go as far back as 1862), some tactical details, some extra details on what happened before the movement was squealed upon and afterwards, the death of Matías Brugman... tons of stuff. Olga Jimenez de Wagenheim's book is excellent on the matter, and there have been other recent books with even more references than hers. Any volunteers? Demf 12:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I found the original Perez Moris book online... while obviously biased (some of the later research has disputed many of his facts, using court records as a basis), the facts were obviously fresh in his mind when he wrote his book. Caveat Emptor... Demf 16:21, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

To start, well, it's Bruckman, not Brugman. If anyone else agrees, I would like to change it (since I'm a direct descendant). Thanxs.Solcita 15:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

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• Taken care of. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)