Talk:Haraam

Gelatin

Is gelatine considered haraam by all Muslim scholars? I have read of a contradictory opinion... See: Salafitalk- Ruling on Gelatin--Nabilqureshi 05:31, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Gelatin / Gelatine - haram if obtained from pork or non-halal meat sources - the source is sometimes mentioned on the ingredients list. A vegetarian alternative is available.

Depends. Gelatin, when a chemical change happens in its creation (which is how Gelatin is made in the West), is considered Halal by the majority of scholars; both Sunni and Shia. Armyrifle 21:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

References needed on harām

"The category of harām also includes all manner of forbidden behaviours, from adultery to siding with a non-Muslim power against Muslims in war."

This is very interesting and I would think that references (Q'uran or other teachings) would be useful.

Yea, I was just going to ask for that as well. I think the first sentence is correct but I really doubt the second one.--Zhang Lmao 07:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Move proposal

Proposal: move to Haram. This is the normal romanization used in English-speaking regions and the first letter of the current title shows up as an empty square box. Badagnani 02:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. WP:UE dictates that all article titles should use the Roman alphabet. Korossyl 11:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

The move would not be to Haram (as that is an article on the "sanctuary") but Haraam (which is a re-direct to this article). To be consistent I would also suggest proposing to move Halal to Halaal. → AA ^{(talk • contribs)} — 11:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I've been bold and seeing as there have been no objections, made the move. → AA ^{(talk • contribs)} — 12:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Why in the world would you make a movie out of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.251.60 (talk) 12:37, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Adultery

It is not adultery to have sex with "(the captives) whom their right hands possess". What does that mean? DHR (talk) 02:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

It means it's permissible to rape slaves. User: anon, 6 January 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.222.132.38 (talk) 08:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

to expand on what the above says: that which the "right hand possesses" is things captured in war (by the sword, the right hand holds the sword), such as the wives of the vanquished. There's at least one instance of Mohammed raping the wife of someone who he just instructed to be killed (not in the battle though) - Safiya's husband Kinana was the treasurer of his tribe, he was tortured until he told where the treasure was and then on Mohammed's say so was murdered. Then Safiya was raped, aka taken as Mohammed's wife. Those who 'converted' were allowed to live, those who wouldn't had to pay a tribute or be killed as is instructed in the Koran.

If you want to research these things on Wikipedia then be sure to look at the edits as most articles on Islam have been sanitised and spun. 92.16.220.50 (talk) 13:08, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Extension of this to servants is productive of much trouble, see Human_trafficking_in_Saudi_Arabia#Events_in_the_United_States Fred Talk 21:00, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

"holy" in the lead

Hans Wehr's Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic (4th edition, p 201) gives this definition:

حرام ḥarām pl حرم ḥurum forbidden, interdicted, prohibited, unlawful; s.th. forbidden, offense, sin; inviolable, taboo; sacred, sacrosanct; cursed, accursed

The definition is followed, as usual for a significant entry, by a long list of phrases and idioms using the word. Of these the only two mentioning "holy" explicitly are الشهر الحرام, "the Holy Month Muharram" and المسجد الحرام, "the Holy Mosque in Mecca". There is also البيت الحرام, the Kaaba.

Note that "holy" does not occur at all in the definition list. The closest is "sacred" or "sacrosanct", but even then the examples indicate the use of "sacred" or "sacrosanct" in such a way as to imply some form of restriction or taboo.

This does not appear to me sufficient to justify including "holy" as a meaning in the lead, although some of the above might possibly be included in the article body.

--NSH001 (talk) 14:01, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Just change it from "holy" to "sacred".--ZealousGnome (talk) 14:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I need to check on a few things, but there is a difference between حرام and الحرام. I dont know if حرام without the definite particle ever means sacred, but I need to check a few books. Ill get back to this shortly. nableezy - 12:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

NPOV removed

The article changed significantly since Dec. 2007, I've removed the NPOV template, please use {{POV-section}} or better yet {{POV-statement}} for statements and detail issues here. This will help address them quickly. - RoyBoy 00:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)