Talk:Harlequin

Other meanings

Paul, was this you?

-Ben 15:43, 25 February 2002 User:Benwbrum

The Harlequin link needs to be a disambiguation page between various uses, such as:

• Arlecchino
• The US romance publisher
• [[1]] - The international software company

14:50, 5 March 2004 User:Bovlb

page move

• As a consequence Harlequin → Harlequin (disambiguation)); This is English Wikipedia and as per MoS the common English name should be used. The Harlequin character deserves primary topic disambiguation as it is the original from which all of the subsequent items on the disambiguation pages are derived. Jooler 01:49, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
• I agree. Smerdis of Tlön 05:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
• Agree with proposed move. Most of the things at Harlequin (disambiguation) are named after the character. Grinner 10:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Result

Moved. WhiteNight ^{T | @ | C} 23:28, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

question?

I can understand why the Italian and French words for harlequin are listed (as the English word comes from the Italian through the French) but why the German and Portuguese words? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.175.83.141 (talk) 03:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Sorry, not too good at posting on Wikipedia and actually just have a question which is kind of related to this - in Dr. W. Wagner's "Asgard & The Gods" he mentions that the Norse goddess, Hel, was reputed as appearing thus: "One side of her face was of corpse-like pallor, and the other was as dark as the grave" (p. 53) Also, he cites that part of the "Raging Host" (associated with concept of the "Wild Hunt") was called, in France, "Mesnie Hellequin" for hunters from hell(p. 78). Anyway, not sure how well Dr. Wagner's study has stood the test of time (he wrote this late 19th century) and whether his scholarship has been refuted or not, but wanted to know if this should be mentioned somewhere if it's true.69.140.36.222AJ

Harley Quinn appears twice

"In today's culture, harlequins are seen quite often, especially in the New Orleans Mardi Gras celebrations. Harlequins frequently appear in pop culture, such as Harley Quinn from the Batman series and Harle from Square Enix's game Chrono Cross."

"In the comic book version representing Batman and the Justice League (either together or seperately), a female assistant wearing a jester costume is sometimes given to the Joker. She is known as Harley Quinn."

I think this needs to be fixed, but I am not sure which one to delete/edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RoyalFool (talk • contribs) 23:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The recent revamp

Okay, I think this page maybe needs to be completely rewritten. The current version of the page is nothing but a list of pop culture references and has completely deleted all references to the characters origin and function in the commedia dell'arte, which I would daresay are kind of important, especially since all the other major commedia characters have their own pages describing their uses, histories and characterizations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.18.93.72 (talk) 01:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

The information that you want is in page Commedia dell'arte, which I have now linked to. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

That's not quite what my objection was. All the other Commedia charcaters have their own pages (Brighella, Capitano, etc.) Harlequin needs, and used to have, his right here. It's really bizarre and irritating that all the info went away for no apparent reason. This information that replaced it isn't exactly superior.

Also, that Duchartre citation at the bottom needs to go, in the present state.--76.18.93.72 (talk) 08:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd have to agree that the current page, as is, is little more than a list of sightings. Information on the character itself should also be included here. ~ Brother William (talk) 05:25, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

• The current format is clear. Changing it into essay format would merely make it harder to look for any one piece of information. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

There remains a great deal of overlap between the main article, which doesn't actually tell me very much, and the disambiguation page. As you don't seem to like my efforts, perhaps somebody else would like to have a go at sorting it out.Hethurs (talk) 21:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I came here looking for information about Harlequin. What is the main traits of this character that pops up everywhere, where does he come from (cinema? folklore? books? theater?) and WHY O WHY does he have those weird clothes? . . This page gave me the answer that he is from "the Italian Commedia dell'Arte" and nothing else was answered here. . . (Yes a clicktrough to the Commedia dell'Arte page gives me some more info but that info should be on THIS page instead!. This page totally needs a revamp with more info.83.249.226.186 (talk) 17:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Someone decided it was a good idea to destroy previous work on the article, leaving only references to modern culture (a collection of trivia). I found the last version before the vandalism, which is [2]. Using this version, I will restore the deleted content. Maybe some of that content is wrong, but the deletion was certainly vandalism. Therefore I am reverting it.--FocalPoint (talk) 18:50, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Origin?

• Re the etymology theory "From the term Hellequin, which is said to originate as middle age French for "the devil's horseman""; this theory may have been around for a long time, but is it genuine, or is it a false etymology invented in former centuries by Church priests trying to show that "the theater (and all other secular entertainment) is sinful and comes from the Devil"? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

• Re As a flemish carnival character, could not be its ethymology from dutch "Harl-eken" - Karl akin - perhaps the man who first dressed this patchwork costume for carnival? Something like "mann-eken" - man akin, children - See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manneken_Pis User:Iñigo G Blanch —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.77.239.109 (talk) 17:41, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

all this throwing around of unreferenced "hypotheses" needs to stop. The only verifiable pedigree of the name is Old French Hellequin, leader of the medieval French version of the Wild Hunt. The etymology of Hellequin (variants Helething, Herlequin) itself is another question. I have seen both "hari+thing" (!, so in Schmitt 1999, p. 100) and OHG (H)ellechin(n)o "little devil". More references on this are needed.

I also have serious doubts that English Herla derives from the Old English period. It is infinitely more likely that Herla king is just the 11th or 12th century Anglo-Norman corruption of OF Hellequin. --dab (𒁳) 17:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose that Hellequin be merged into Harlequin. I think that the content in the Hellequin article can easily be explained in the context of Harlequin, and the Harlequin article is of a reasonable size in which the merging of Hellequin will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. It should also be an chance to add references about Hellequin Bikepunk2 (talk) 14:24, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I encourage you to just do it, at least in obvious cases like this one. Merging substubs into their main articles is standard maintenance work, not something that should be "proposed" or "discussed", simply because there is no conceivable reason to object: whoever is opposed to such mergers places the burden on themselves to expand the stub so it can stand on its own. --dab (𒁳) 08:04, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try to get find out some references and merge it in the coming days if no one disagree untill then. Bikepunk2 (talk) 19:02, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I've just performed the merging. Bikepunk2 (talk) 13:56, 6 July 2011 (UTC)