Talk:Heaven 17
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[edit] What reached 45?
The article used to say that "At the height of the fighting (He-La-Hu)" got to 45 in the UK singles chart, then went on to mention "(We don't need this) Fascist Groove Thing" but without specifying a chart position it reached.
The two linked sites (including the H17 official site) have it the other way round - no. 45 is specified for FGT but no chart position is given for ATHOTF. I have moved it round to match what's given on those sites - please feel free to alter/comment if you have other information. 138.37.199.199 11:56, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
"Height of the Fighting" missed the charts, according to everything I've ever read.
Tom Prankerd 20:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
The reason that the "Height of the Fighting" doesn't appear anywhere in the 'Charts', is due to the fact that it was never actually issued as a 7" single. Although it was schedualed for release and given a general release cat#, it remained unissued and without a 'Picture Sleeve' being designed for it. This I would say was due to the fact that the UK was at war with Argentina at the time, brought on as a result of the conflict in the Falklands. Plastic Demons 18:12, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
It was issued as a 12" single - which is sufficient sometimes to chart (e.g., New Order's Blue Monday), but I agree ATHOTF never charted QuiteUnusual 21:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] H17 - New Romantic?
The same anon individual who seems to be going around labelling all early 1980s British Synth bands as New Romantic has struck here. H17 were certainly never New Romantics by any definition. The band was the performance arm of British Electric Foundation, a socialist electronic music collective founded by Ian Craig Marsh and Martyn Ware after they left The Human League. One of the reasons they left THL is because Philip Oakey wanted to be more Pop and commercial. BEF were anti-establishment and against the mass commercial pop of the period (and the new Human League in particular). Some of H17s lyrics were banned by the BBC because of their political content. Nothing whatsoever to do with the New Romantic movement, style wise Martyn Ware had a beard, how is that new romatic? In the spirit of consensus if someone wants to describe this band as new romantic, they can go on the H17 official website www.heaven17.com and ask Martyn Ware himself if he was a new romantic, (expect a sarcastic answer) but if he say he was then add a link in the EL section. Until then keep it off this article. andi064 T . C 12:02, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
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- Just be aware that they are being referred to as "New Romantics" again, this time on the New Romanticism article. Discussed here Talk:New_Romanticism#Contested_bands, can someone else remove it I can't again as I will fall foul of WP:3RR, it’s just embarrassing for Martyn, Glenn and ICM too be considered the same as Boy George. Some people will just not be told the truth. Perhaps someone can get a real killer quote from Martyn slagging of the whole New Romantic media thing and put an end to this continual battle with ignoramuses. Laestrygonian3 (talk) 17:22, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
[edit] IP Edit War
To put an end to the IP edit war on this article
1. The reference provided by is sufficient justification for the editors assertion that Ian Craig Marsh has left the band, Martyn Ware doesn’t just say that he is at university he says "he has gone completely off radar. He’s still our brother and we miss him". Combined with the facts that he hasn’t appeared live with them for 3 years and failed to participate in their last album, tour or TV appearances.
2. Billie Godfrey's article states that she is an associate member of Heaven 17 as do the ELs on her page. This is an important distinction and she should be shown as an associate on the article not a full member. Hence I’ve removed her from the info box and put her in normal type and parenthesis on the H17 template. This is in keeping with other long established bands that take on new people on a permanent basis who dont have band name/royalty rights.
3. {Missing Citations} template changed to {Additional Citations} template
This article will now be locked to prevent further tit for tat revisions. andi064 T . C 15:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
