Talk:Irony
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[edit] Not a huge deal but...
Truman wasn't breaking the forth wall. Realizing your the subject of a secret reality show is not the same as a character acknowledging the fact that they are a fictional character in a story or show or movie or whatever. I also don't see how the situation is ironic, i could be wrong about that one though (so many definitions) I can accept that irony is changed because a bunch of hipsters didn't feel like looking it up, but I'm not letting them take "forth wall" too. Maybe I'll let it slide if we can all agree to return "literally" to meaning...you know...literally. No more "He literally bit his head off for it"
- date this thread (with which I had no other involvement). Lycurgus (talk) 16:16, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
You said it yourself: Truman wasn't breaking the fourth wall. It's dramatic irony (as per the definition in this article) in that the audience is aware of an important truth that the character is not. 90.205.174.239 (talk) 07:39, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Postmodern irony
There should be some mention here of postmodern irony, the pleasure and humor that comes from noting all the fictions that dominate our lives. Richard Rorty wrote at length on this and deserves some attention.Bdubay (talk) 19:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Socrates
>(Socrates, in Plato's dialogues, was a master of this technique.)
Considering that the Socrates from the Dialogues is heavily fictionalised, we cannot really say this. It's easy for a writer to supply his hero with some cannon fodder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.87.238 (talk) 14:08, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
[edit] "(it would, however, be * irony)"
This is basically an extended edit comment referring to the following passage:
... if a man exclaims, “I’m not upset!” but reveals an upset emotional state through his voice while truly trying to claim he's not upset, it would not be verbal irony by virtue of its verbal manifestation (it would, however, be situational irony).
This is situational irony since the actions of the man (saying "I'm not upset!") produce the opposite effect (by revealing that he is, in fact, upset). This is not dramatic irony, which is when a fictional character is strikingly unaware of something the audience knows. The man in this scenario is not unaware that he is upset; he merely wishes to conceal it. Augurar (talk) 04:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Mathematical characterizations
Doubtless has been formulated via sitcalc, NLU, oder. Quick check of archives indicates nothing related, changed archiving to 120 days, not that much activity. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 16:39, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
