Talk:Jack Russell Terrier

JRT articles need to be reorganized

The current organization of the several articles covering Jack Russell Terriers are badly in need of a reorganization. This article should be replaced with an overview article covering what is widely known both historically, popularly, and throughout the world as "Jack Russell Terrier", and then several breed-standard or location-specific uses of the name could be discussed, along with links to new articles discussing each. For example, most of the contents of this article should be moved to a new article called JRTCA Jack Russell Terrier. — Aldaron • T/C 14:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed this page does seem somewhat hijacked by the JRTCA. An alternative may be to make Jack Russell (dog) and have some of the JRTCA information as a section of this article. Smartse (talk) 15:18, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, something like that would work too. The essential thing is that this article should be about the dog, not about the battles over the US brand name. I propose we start by moving the contents of this article to a new article called JRTCA Jack Russell Terrier, and rewriting this from scratch as a general article about the dog. Then, others more knowledgeable about the various formal breeds and breed wars can write their own peers of the JRTCA Jack Russell Terrier article, and work out the relationships among them, while this one remains neutral and general and just describes the conflicts in a brief subsection, linking to the various breed articles there. — Aldaron • T/C 16:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Go for it. I definitely support that - they are not purebred so things like "The body length must be in proportion to the height, and the dog should present a compact, balanced image" really don't belong on an article about them. I assume this page has been heavily edited by members of JRTCA which has made it rather poor, lets try and get a better article going. Working terrier has some info that might be of use. I will try to help but have no experience with dog breed articles so might not be much use.

Unfortunately the name "Jack Russell Terrier" is registered solely to the JRTCA. If you legally want to use it to describe a dog then you need to describe the JRTCA version of that dog. Your 'general' information can be put into the "Parson Russell" page as that name, as far as I know, is not registered to any breed club and is used to describe a dog similar to a Jack Russell. The Jack Russell may not be a Kennel Club recognised Purebred but that does not mean it is not a named breed with a breed club, a strict breeding registry, and subsequently a breed standard. The Border Collie would likely not be considered a purebred either under that standard as many breeders strongly oppose the concept of kennel club registry. Why not leave an article on a specific breed to people who have been working with that breed for decades? Would they not be the ones who have the most intimate knowledge and be in the best position to educate others? 207.47.246.99 (talk) 05:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

See WP:COMMONNAME. Whether JRTCA has some "legal right" to the name is had no bearing. Wikipedia is not a dog registry. — Aldaron • T/C 17:06, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe what that link refers to is not to use exactly the article name you want to, "JRTCA Jack Russell Terrier" is more specific than what is necessary. Not refering to the breed standard that has been set for the dog known as the Jack Russell Terrier, and protected by the parent club the JRTCA, would be akin to describing any white dog with black spots as a dalmation. In order to keep the information in this article valid and informative why would you not want to describe the breed with as much detail as is available? The "Jack Russell" is the dog that belongs to the JRTCA and fits the standard set forth by this club. The "Parson Russell Terrier" and the "Russell Terrier" are distinctly different dogs. Please research information on this breed before making reccomendations on its discription. A good place to start is www.therealjackrussell.com 207.47.246.99 (talk) 08:30, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a breed propaganda site. The "protection" you mention has no standing outside of certain specific events in certain locations. There's simply no meaningful sense in which the term "Jack Russell" "belongs" to the JRTCA, a fact that can be easily verified by picking up any book on dogs, where you will discover that the term is not used in the highly restrictive sense you wish it to be here. In any case, the accuracy and objectivity of this article remains very much in dispute. — Aldaron • T/C 13:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

"Jack Russell Terrier" is a registered trademark, and yes, it does "belong" to the JRTC. It has also been used as a generic term for small white terriers. It seems to me that the article structure for the JRTs and their offshoots could be organized to reflect the dual nature of the term.

--jdege (talk) 01:59, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorting this out is on my list of things to do at the moment. I'd like to get the JRT and the PRT pages both up to Good Article status. My incentive to work on the Spaniel pages was that I own an English Cocker Spaniel, and have since manage to improve several Spaniel pages up to Good Article. As of last Saturday I now also have a Jack Russell Terrier in my life, so I plan on doing the same accordingly. Got a couple other dog pages to work on first, but rest assured it's in the pipeline. The creation of the JRT is well documented (for a dog breed, compared to the Irish Water Spaniel origin information it's fantastic!), and I've already been checking out sources for the information. Hopefully should be able to schedule some time in during February. Miyagawa (talk) 15:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Registered trademarks have no validity outside the country of registration. Jack Russell Terriers exist worldwide and Wikipedia also exists worldwide, therefore to cite a registered trademark unique to the US is invalid. Indeed the term Jack Russell was in use in the UK as early as 1883 . Remember that America does not constitute the whole world! Jack Russell Owner UK... 81.108.89.232 (talk) 19:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC) I didn't say JRTCA, I said JRTC. There are many affiliated clubs around the world, with the oldest being the JRTCGB. They were established for the purpose of protecting the JRT, and keeping it the hunting terrier that was known by that name in 1883. --jdege (talk) 13:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Moreover, trademarks are always limited to a specific domain (e.g, a purebred dog, or a business name), not the general use of the term; and there is no trademark (not springily) for "Jack Russell Terrier" (see below). — Aldaron • T/C 16:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

This article, though greatly improved, still lacks clear focus. Is it about the one specific breed standard, or is it about the collection of dogs as commonly known? — Aldaron • T/C 04:50, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Dead link and Mask dog

The link for The Truth Behind Hollywood Russells is broken and needs to be fixed or removed. I think that the line about the dog in The Mask should be moved to Well-know Jack Russell Terriers and his name is Max see http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1247354/ this is also mentioned in the The Mask speacil feature "What Makes Fido Run" of the DVD. His trainer refure to Max as a Jack Russell Terrier and Iwhould think thay they wouldn't make a mastake on breeds. --Ebnielsen (talk) 23:22, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

The name "Jack Russell Terrier" has been applied to three somewhat distinct groups of dogs. First, were the hunting terriers, the thin-chested, square-built (as tall as they were long), terriers bred for fox hunting.

Second were what the hunting crowd called "Puddin' dogs", because they "had to work for their puddin'". These were shorter, thicker chested, and often showed signs of dwarfism. They seem to have originated with crosses between Corgis and the hunting Jacks, and were primarily stable dogs, keeping down vermin and keeping the horses company.

Third, after a while, "Jack Russell Terrier" became a sort of a generic term for any non-pedigreed small, white, terrier.

So, calling a puddin' dog like Max a "Jack Russell", is historically consistent. Currently, though, the "Jack Russell Terrier" name is owned by the Jack Russell Terrier clubs. Other groups who are trying to create standardized breeds out of these dogs (which the Jack Russell Terrier Clubs have strongly disapproved of), have been using various variants of the name, "Parson Russell Terrier", "Russell Terrier", etc.

--jdege (talk) 16:07, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit war

Please discuss here instead of edit warring. Should bve easy since none of you can edit the page for the next three days. Continued edit warring after protection expires will lead to blocks being handed out. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Pertinant Information

Information that relates to the Jack Russell Terrier as a breed should be left in the article. This is a recognized BREED and as such has a breed standard. The name has been used, incorrectly, to describe a wide variety of dogs but ONLY pertains to the actual dogs registered as such. Not refering to the established breed standard to describe the dog or calling all small white dogs that resemble a JRT is as incorrect as refering to all spotted dogs as "Dalmations". The Parson is a spereate breed, as is the Russell Terrier and have breed standards as well. Please if you are going to edit this article eductae yourself on the breed and refer to the standards and information set forth in the poarent club, the Jack Russell Terrier Club of America or the Jack Russell Terrier Club of Canada. 207.47.246.99 (talk) 06:58, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Breed standards are not the only source of information on the breed. As with the Labrador Retriever article, information on standards are perfectly acceptable, but in a specific section. The name specifies a wide variety of types of dogs and the article should discuss this, rather than leave it out entirely and only describe what is stated by breed clubs. We should use this article as an opportunity to educate people about the situation surrounding the Jack Russell Terrier and related breeds. I'm going to put my edits on hold until we have some sort of agreement on the direction for these articles. I'll come up with a proposal over the next few days for article layout with rough descriptions of what each section will need to cover, and then we can discuss it and modify it on the talk page before then using it as a template on the main article. We'll start with the JRT, then once that's agreed and completed, we can move onto the Parson and the Russell. Heck, it'd be nice if we could get improve the John "Jack" Russell article too, because we could even get the group of articles up as the first ever Wikipedia Good Topic on dogs. Miyagawa (talk) 13:16, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a good approach. In the meantime, the controversy remains, however, and readers should be warned. — Aldaron • T/C 14:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Ignoring what breeds the generic "Jack Russell Terrier" may refer to, it seems that as a proper breed name it is used by the FCI and even in the US, the UKC(following FCI standards) are using it.--Dodo bird (talk) 22:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I think because this article pertains to the "Jack Russell Terrier" which is a name that belongs to JRT Clubs and is protected it should describe that dog. It would be perfectly acceptable to say that many dogs are incorrectly refered to as Jack Russell, just like many "mini" Australian Shephards are incorrectly reffered to as Australian Shepherds, but to describe a dog that is NOT a Jack Russell Terrier in the article would be incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.47.246.99 (talk) 06:46, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

You keep repeating this claim but cite no references that support it. According to the references you cite the Jack Russell Terrier Club of America "has a trademark" for "Parson Jack Russell Terrier" only, a fact easily confirmed by checking with the USPTO. Furthermore, a visit to the PTO will show that (a) there are no trademarks for "Jack Russell Terrier" alone; (b) that JRTCA's mark, like most others containing the phrase "Jack Russell Terrier" expressly make "no claim to exclusive right to use" of that phrase except as a component of the larger mark; and (c) none of the marks containing "Jack Russell Terrier" pertain to the dog or to a breed or group of dogs generally (for example "Jack Russell Terriers" pertains to a publication, and "Parson Jack Russell Terrier" is limited to a "purebred" dog). Moreover, as near as I can tell (IANAL) from the USPTO regestry, the "Parson Jack Russell Terrier" trademark is "dead" and "cancelled". — Aldaron • T/C 16:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

There is also no trademark on the name "Dalmation" or "German Shepherd" but yet we refer to a dog described by the KC and the breed club and not a generic dog with spots or tan and black dog. To just descibe any small white dog by the term Jack Russell Terrier would be equally as inncorrect. Out of curiosity Alderon what is your "expertise" with the breed? 207.47.246.99 (talk) 07:18, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

The point is simply to report on how terms are used and what they mean in an accurate manner supported by references. — Aldaron • T/C 13:41, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Rat Terriers

It would be very helpful as well if someone would add some reputable information about distinguishing these terriers from Rat Terriers...particularly Rat Terriers who have ears that do not stand up. --CucFan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.218.3.246 (talk) 22:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Article Design

Below are sections with brief descriptions of of what I believe should be in those sections. By all means feel free to add/remove/rearrange as you see fit (and of course, comment!). All I ask is that if you remove anything from a section please strike through the text rather than completely deleting, as that way we can see what's gone. Miyagawa (talk) 19:54, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Lead paragraph A good guide is roughly one sentence to each couple of paragraphs in the article.

Description A generic description of a Jack Russell Type dog. Best to be cited from an independent JRT book. No standard related information in this section, however it should be mentioned that the JRT is a term used for a variety of small mostly white type terriers.

Subsection in here regarding the standards, with comparisons if there are any differences (for instance in the Welsh Springer Spaniel article that I'm currently working on it discusses the difference between the KC and AKC standards with regard to the nose. Also could discuss the difference between standardised dogs and those in common use by hunters or as pets (depending on availability of reliable references).

Temperament Pretty much what we already have, just with citations added, and with the text edited to fit them where necessary.

Health A paragraph or two on common health conditions including a reliably cited average lifespan. Subsections for any major health issues.

History The term of Jack Russell Terrier is the original term and therefore this needs to cover the split into Parson and Russell Terriers. A good example is how English Cocker Spaniel discusses the creation of the American Cocker Spaniel. Keep it perfectly neutral, present the facts and don't dismiss any breed as being inferior to another. The current text is probably fine but is only a start, and needs a bit of a copy edit for flow as well.

Add any information on historical hunting styles.

Paragraphs on any issues during the two world wars (a common issue in British breeds). I imagine being a predominantly hunting breed they might not have been as affected as other more show related terrier breeds. Formation of breed clubs, introduction and recognition by countries and kennel clubs.a

Well-known Jack Russell Terriers This section is fine to stay as it is.

This sounds like a good approach. — Aldaron • T/C 22:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I would agree that much of this sounds very good except the description should refer to the official, recognized, Jack Russell Terrier Parent club information. A comparison between this and the KC (Kennel Club) standards would be somewhat relevant.

To my knowledge the WWs have not affected this breed too much but information on the JRTC/KC split and the newer british hunting and tail docking laws may be of interest. 207.47.246.99 (talk) 02:27, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Happy to use the JRTC information as a basis as if you look at the Welsh Springer Spaniel article I'm currently working on, while the description is actually based on the standard there's additional information in there which isn't in there (such as comparisons with other breeds). I only added the differences part because I found out while working on the WSS article that a pink nose is penalised in the US standard, while in the UK it's ok. I'll start work with this once I'm done over there, although I might be delayed as I have several articles in the process of being nominated for GA and they have a more set time limit on changes than this does. I'll certainly mention tail docking as being a hunting dog, it was traditionally docked and modern laws have changed that to some extent. Miyagawa (talk) 09:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Current changes

Going to start making the edits to the article over this weekend, if there's any random characters suddenly appearing in the middle of a paragraph that'll be my Jack Russell trying to help out. :) Created this subsection of the article design so we can discuss any particular edits that I've made and fix any issues here rather than reverting and re-reverting back and forth in the article space itself. Miyagawa (talk) 10:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The Russell Terrier page seems to less controversially handle the origin of the JRT, while accurately dividing up Parsons, JRT's and Russells. It's sourced fairly sparcely, however.

Getting close to completing the update, just need to flesh out the health section a little more which I hope to do over this long weekend. Is there anything major I've missed or anything I've left unsourced? Ideally I'd like to put this one up for a GA once my edits are complete so I want to make sure I've covered the topic from all relevant angles. Miyagawa (talk) 23:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

"Hollywood" Russell

Both links contained in the "Eddie" and "Wishbone" secitons lead to dead links. The claims that these dogs were in fact Parsons seems unsubstantiated. The pages for the animals themselves reference them as JRTs, and they pre-date the whole 'Parson/JRT' debate. Alternatively, if someone can prove that they are Parsons then they should not be on the JRT page, and their main pages should be amended.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirtyharry2 (talk • contribs) 07:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Mariah Carey's dog "Jack"

"and Mariah Care has a few, including her dog Jack". I would say this is useless trivia, and removed it. If it's not, it should have its own information set forth, and not simply appended to the portion on the hero/pitball dog. It's also unsourced, although Google found me lots of pages referencing the dog's existence. But does the mere fact that a celebrity owns a certain breed warrant mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirtyharry2 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Jack Russell Terrier/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:40, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I figured you'd had a few dog breed articles linger for a long time so was okay to jump the queue a bt for once. Okay, let's get to it - cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:40, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

The Jack Russell Terrier is a small, principally white-bodied smooth, rough or broken–coated terrier that has its origins in fox hunting. - the sentence suffers from alot of adjectives. I think it's be better to split into:

The Jack Russell Terrier is a small (short legged?) terrier that has its origins in fox hunting. It is principally white-bodied smooth, rough or broken–coated (expand second sentence a little).

Done. Miyagawa (talk) 21:02, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Is the Chiselhurst actually Chislehurst?

Yep! I was wondering why there wasn't an article for that. :) Miyagawa (talk) 20:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Badger digging required a different type of dog to fox hunting, and it is likely that Bull Terrier blood was introduced and around this time a shorter legged variety of Jack Russell Terrier started to appear. - sentence is a little ungainly, but not familiar with it enough to make it flow better

Fiddled with the flow of it a little. Miyagawa (talk) 21:07, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I had no idea about the issues mentioned in Post World War II section - I get no idea of how many dogs are involved here. Out of the Jack Russell, Parson and Russell terriers, which is the most common/uncommon and where? Also a succinct addition to the lead is needed. I mention this as I have never heard of the other two breeds - does this mean the term 'Jack Russell' is commonly misapplied to all three?

Added some info regarding other breeds descended from the Fox Terrier and added a line to the lead. The term Jack Russell is commonly used for a variety of small white terriers. Heck while writing this article I even found a breeder who was selling "new black Jack Russell Terriers" - which were probably a Manchester Terrier with drop ears or a cross of some type. Managed to add all I could find that I could accurately cite. Miyagawa (talk) 22:18, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, now I am trying to get my head around this - are the true Jack Russell Terriers limited for the most part to the US, or are they found in the UK and Australia - or are dogs in these countries for the most part Parson and Russell Terriers? From reading it, criteria for a Parson Terrier are broader (?) so theoretically a dog which is a true Jack Russell could be a Parson as well (??) Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:13, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

The Jack Russell Terrier is the broad type, with a size range of 10 to 15 inches, the Parson Russell is limited only to a middle range with a standard size of 12 to 14 inches, while the Russell Terrier is smaller at 8 to 12 inches. So essentially on size alone any registered Parson could also meet the size requirements for a Jack Russell, as could a Russell Terrier that is 10 inches or more. In order to fix this, the Parson is described as having different proportions - a larger head, body and chest in order to separate it from the Jack Russell Terrier. Miyagawa (talk) 08:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

That summary you just gave is precisely what is needed in the lead, as it clarified quite a bit :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:32, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Added slightly modified version of that to the lead. :) Miyagawa (talk) 16:56, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Red foxes vary in size, but across the world they average from 13-17 pounds in weight and have an average chest size of 12-14 inches at the widest part - some metric plz :)

Added convert templates. Miyagawa (talk) 20:55, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Overall, looking pretty good though. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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Too many images?

I'm all for having images in an article, but this seems like overkill. First off, someone with a slower computer would have a hard time loading this article, given the amount of image files. Secondly, we don't need that many images to show what a Jack Russell looks like, much less a Parson Russell or any other dog breed. The non-Jack Russell images seem irrelevant, and of the remaining ones, we can probably trim off a few. It's to the point where it's distracting to read, so we definitely need to remove several images. The Blade of the Northern Lights (talk) 19:20, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

• Removed three of the images - better? Miyagawa (talk) 18:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, looks less cluttered now. Thanks- I don't mess with images just yet, I've managed to spectacularly destroy the formatting in articles a couple times, and I'll need a bit more practice before I do. The Blade of the Northern Lights (talk) 05:32, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

No worries, I left the Parson image in as I thought it highlighted the height difference between it and the JR. Miyagawa (talk) 11:13, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually, that was a good idea. I'm liking it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (talk) 16:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Irish Jack Russells

Just reverted a change of image in the history section that added an image of an "Irish" Jack Russell Terrier. Note that unless referring the dog's nationality, there is no such thing as an Irish Jack Russell. The term is used to describe a specifically short legged JRT, which is actually more commonly called a Russell Terrier.

The use of the prefix "Irish" in dog terms should usually be taken suspiciously unless you know it's meant to be there (for instance, an Irish Water Spaniel). An example of this is selling American Pit Bull Terriers in the UK as "Irish Staffordshire Bull Terriers". Miyagawa (talk) 13:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Just reverted the addition of an Irish Jack Russell again. Miyagawa (talk) 22:20, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Intro - paragraph 2. - 7 April 2011

Added contradiction temp. Has the breed changed or not changed? Acabashi (talk) 12:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

The breed has changed. It was first bred as a fox hunting terrier, then a badger hunting terrier and is now an all round working terrier. Miyagawa (talk) 21:16, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I can well believe it, but the very obvious contradiction should be addressed rather than removing a request asking for support for one side of the contradictory argument. I have answered you more fully on your talk page. Acabashi (talk) 23:16, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I've removed the contradicting line. Miyagawa (talk) 23:29, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Great. Can you now add the cite you mentioned existed that supports the conflicting assertion: "It has gone through several changes over the years, through different use and conformation show standards set by kennel clubs"? Especially when there is a contradictory statement, and even though I agree with you from my non-NPOV position as a JRT owner, we cannot as you know, allow yours and my view to be presented as fact without proper evidence; it's good to know you have a credible source to add so that we don't have to remove this sentence too. Many thanks. Acabashi (talk) 01:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Please see WP:LEADCITE. The changes made to the Jack Russell Terrier are documented throughout the history section and that line is written as a general line to cover that information briefly. Miyagawa (talk) 11:19, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Given that the JRT has never been a kennel club breed, any statement that the breed has changed through "different use and conformation show standards set by kennel clubs" can be pretty much discounted as obviously false.

jdege (talk) 13:20, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I've changed the line from "conformation show standards" to "breed standards". Miyagawa (talk) 18:50, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

jrt to sit on his hind legs

why delete my photo on the jack russell? jack russell has this feature that is often sat on his hind legs ...as often Eddie Crane on Frasier ... so my picture describes a feature that I think is more useful than a jack running to catch a ball as they do many dogs!thanks  :) --Archita ^{(if you must)} 18:40, 24 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archita78 (talk • contribs)

I've responded on you talk page, but to summarize here, a dog sitting is not unusual, and the text did not include a citation to prove that it was unusual and unique to the breed; and the image was of poor quality. Miyagawa (talk) 18:49, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

ok boss  :)  --Archita (if you must) 19:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archita78 (talk • contribs)  

My previous note stands. The photo you keep adding is encyclopedic and adds nothing to the article, while the text contains a citation - it's from an unreliable source and doesn't actually reference the text you've added at all. Any edits in this way will be considered vandalism, and will be reverted. Miyagawa (talk) 09:30, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

"Beginers"

Hi, how about mentioning JRT from movie "Beginers" (2011) with Evan Mac Gregor? Dog there was pretty important, so i tthink it is worth mentioning, however I do not have good sources to know anything more about this dog. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.213.255.7 (talk) 15:51, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

• Found a reference on the official site and adding it - it's the same dog actor as in Hotel for Dogs. Miyagawa (talk) 16:55, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Earth

From the OED (Earth n¹):

5. As a count noun: an animal's dwelling or hiding place; the hole or lair of a burrowing mammal, esp. a fox or badger.

The most recent example being 2006 "'Herald Express (Torquay) (Nexis) 21 June 8 Near one of the wildest earths I know on Dartmoor a vixen continues to educate her cubs in the survival business."

OED Burrow entry says:

"a. A hole or excavation made in the ground for a dwelling-place by rabbits, foxes and the like.

The most recent entry that links the word with Fox is 1552 quoted in a 1701 article.

In British English burrow is not usually used to describe a tunnel in which a fox lives. For clarity in hunting circles in England there are distinct words for these holes in the ground:

• [Badger] set.
• [Fox] earth.
• [Rabbit] warren (but an individual entrance to a warren is a burrow as is a small warren).
• [Otter] holt (an entrance to a lodge)

I suggest that in this article as it is about a type of fox terror, that the term "earth" is used instead of "burrow". -- PBS (talk) 00:42, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Burrow was used because these types of dogs while called types of fox terriers were not used exclusively to hunt foxes. For quite a while at the start of the 20th century they were used almost exclusively to hunt badgers. Therefore burrow was used to be more generic. Miyagawa (talk) 12:40, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Uggie

The acting dog Uggie has become so famous now that the film "The Artist" has been released that his absence from this article is a significant omission. Cognita (talk) 08:13, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

There's a section ready for him(Well-known Jack Russell terriers), find a ref and add him! The Interior (Talk) 08:28, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Lowercase breed names

If someone wants something to do, this article needs someone to go through it and restore all the dog breed names to uppercase as per the MOS update late last year. They were originally uppercase, but were reduced to lowercase during an nomination. Miyagawa (talk) 12:43, 11 January 2012 (UTC)