Talk:Janet Jackson

expanding Janet's history

Hi, I am new to Wikipedia, though I have worked on and off in Final Fantasy Wiki. I am not used to locked pages, but considering the family and things associated with the name Jackson, I can understand.

I was wanting to make the addition to Janet's page about her completion of the film Why Did I Get Married Too, as well as her own confirmation of making a new album set to be released in 2010. I was thinking not only would it make fans happy to see a new album/film coming out, but it would help bring some positive news within Janet's page, instead of ending with the passing of the King of Pop. My sources for the album and completion of the film are her Myspace, Facebook, and Twitter pages, as well as her official website. Thanks for being patient with he new person.

(Bahamutskingdom (talk) 09:30, 10 August 2009 (UTC))

Welcome to wikipedia. Although your enthusiasm is appreciated, there are a number of factors you must consider when adding information to an article, especially one which is a featured article. A wiki article is an encyclopedic entry, therefore we are not concerned with "making fans happy" (although that may be a welcome side effect to a well written article) but accurate coverage of notable events.

Please have a quick read of WP:RELIABLE SOURCES. When writing an article with a NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW only third party source are considered acceptable (newspapers, journal, books, transcripts). Self-published information, such as Jackson's personal web site and her MySpace, FaceBook and Twitter pages or blogs are considered unacceptable.

Also read WP:CRYSTAL BALL. Since wikipedia is an encyclopedia, we do not normally document future events unless there are unusual circumstances or an unusually high volume of media coverage. To put it simply, until the new movie or album actually come out, its not important enough to mention here - at least not until its close to release. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 09:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

bookkeeper: Self published info from jj's (& another other person's) website, my\face ARE indeed reliable. They come from jj herself after all. An example is Miley Cyrus page being loaded with info that is cited w her twitter and personal website. 70.108.96.18 (talk) 03:54, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:SELFPUB: Self-published sources should never be used as third-party sources about living persons, even if the author is a well-known professional researcher or writer; see WP:BLP#Reliable sources. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 08:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

CHANGE JANET'S PIC

Hello, I want to know why wikipedia refuses to change Janet's article picture. There are TONS of Janet fans with free images that have been taken of Miss Jackson and uploaded, only to have them taken off not even a minute later. The current picture of Miss Jackson is outdated, 3 years to be exact, and it is an unflattering pose. I would like to know the reason why there seems to be a problem changing Janet's picture, yet other artists on wikipedia get their article pictures changed on a regular basis, and not with free images, either. What is the reason for this?24.11.32.51 (talk) 14:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The current picture has the clearest representation of her classic look. The only other free images abstract her face or have her hair styled in a mohawk (from the recent Rock Witchu Tour). Also The nature of Wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on what other articles do or do not exist. The only other image that might be worth considering is File:Janet Jackson 4.jpg but again, the mohawk isn't a part of her normal appearance. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 20:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

bookkeeper: What do you mean by 'classic look'? Is JJ's classic look her looking @ her *ss? May the picture of her on her janet. album be used in the infobox? 70.108.96.18 (talk) 03:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

No. That image is copyright Virgin records. Only free image (a picture someone personally took and uploaded to wikipedia, specifically allowing us to use) can be used in the infobox. Non-free images can only be used to illustrate why that image was taken. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 08:22, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Wrong use of musical terminology

Hello, i'm newly registered so i'm not yet allowed to edit the article 'Janet Jackson'.
In three places in this article there is 'triple swing' mentioned when it should be triplet swing or 'triplet feel'. Can somebody change this?
MBM writer (talk) 23:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Y Done The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 00:55, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Changed "compilation albums" to actual names

I changed "compilation album" in the two headings to Design of a Decade 1986/1996 and Number Ones. This keeps things consistent with other headings that specifically name album titles. - StarIV (talk) 18:37, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

To section pls add more info that Discipline wasnt successful

2008–present: Discipline, death of Michael Jackson and Number Ones Jackson performs during the Rock Witchu Tour 2008. In July 2007, Jackson changed labels and signed a record contract with Island Records. Jackson's tenth studio album, Discipline, was released in February 2008, debuting on the Billboard 200 at number one.[7] Paul Grein of Yahoo! Music observed that with six number one studio albums, Jackson had "surpasse[d] her brother Michael Jackson, who has amassed five [number one] albums."[137] Jackson commented, "I wanted to name the album Discipline because it has a lot of different meanings for me but the most important would be work—to have done this for as long as I have ... And to have had the success that I've had—not excluding God by any means—but it takes a great deal of focus."[138] Margeaux Watson of Entertainment Weekly referred to the lyrical content as "cheesy", while Dan Cairns of The Sunday Times called the album "bizarre".[139][140] However, Allmusic's Andy Kellman described the album as "innocent, universal inviting as anything else in Janet's past."[141] Prior to the album's debut, the first single from the album, "Feedback", was leaked to select radio stations in the United States in December 2007. The single peaked at number nineteen on the Hot 100.[15]

This sections make mention of Feedback peaking @ #19. It doesnt make mention of the rest of the songs not peaking highly. To me it seems like the unsuccess of 'Discpline' is not being mentioned. I think to be a fair article it does need to be mentioned. In the above sections there is gloat after gloat of the success of Control/RN/janet/Velvet Rope/All 4 U, so let us please be fair 70.108.122.113 (talk) 00:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Y Done The rest of the section also discusses her leaving her record label. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 00:57, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I would like to know why there wasn't a problem with adding the info about Janet Jackson's "Discipline" album being unsuccessful, yet there seems to be a problem with adding information about future projects (which is done all the time on wikipedia), and changing her pic (plenty of free images of Ms. Jackson have been uploaded to her page that "represent her natural look" much better than the current 3-year old pic, only to be constantly replaced with this one). It seems to some that her page is purposely being represented poorly. Any insight into this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.32.51 (talk) 02:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

As noted above: see WP:CRYSTAL BALL. Wikipedia policy is NOT to offer firsthand news reports nor to document future events, even if other editors unknowingly or purposefully break this rule. Also noted above: I've seen all the free images uploaded of her and they're mostly from the Rock Witchu Tour sporting the mohawk look. If you have examples of other, I'd be happy to see them. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 02:49, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

bookkeeper:To me it seems like you are the end all say all (esp with this comment I've seen all the free images uploaded of her and they're mostly from the Rock Witchu Tour sporting the mohawk look.). I have a huge problem w the article pic being her looking @ her *ss. I think the pics of her from rockwitu tour would be better. We need a vote, it shouldnt be you decison. Whethers others make changes you revert. Now this article is featured with this less than stellar pic. 70.108.85.109 (talk) 07:32, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Considering I'm the editor who has worked day and night on this article for the past year and put it through Featured Article Candidacy, I can say its Featured specifically because of my efforts - not to imply ownership, but this article was sad to say the least before I started monitoring it and its not as if there are legions of editors working on Janet-related articles, I'm mostly working on my own as of late. Nonetheless, I never said it can't be used. I said the point of having an image in the infobox is to give the reader the most accurate visual depiction of the subject. That means there needs to be a close up of her face without anything obscuring it (like glasses or a microphone). You can see all free images of her here. Be best two are the current image and File:Janet Jackson 4.jpg, though I don't think the latter is anymore "flattering" than the current pic. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 07:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Change Janet's picture now

ITS NOT EVEN A FACE PICTURE, YOU NEED TO CHANGE THAT ASAP SOMETHING MORE RECENT THAT DOES IN FACT REFLECT HER "NATURAL LOOK" JANET JUST LOST 60 POUNDS AND WAS NOT LOOKING LIKE "NATURAL JANET" AT THAT TIME. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cretay (talk • contribs) 20:07, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid that Wikipedia requires images to be licensed under a free license, under almost all circumstances, so there's only a very limited number of pictures that can be used here. You can have a look through other pictures of her at commons:Category:Janet Jackson, but I didn't see a better one. Unless you yourself own copyright to a picture, there's little that can be done about it.
Kind regards, Amalthea 21:14, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Starring in a TV show vs. appearing in one.

I do not think that a few appearances in a TV show count as "starring" and think that there should be some differences noted here between them.

Gary Coleman starred in Diff'rent Strokes. Janet Jackson, she did not.

Sukiari (talk) 15:23, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect. She was a part of the main cast. This was not a guest appearance. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 21:40, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Not true. Jackson was part of the main casts of Good Times and Fame, but played simply recurring character on Diff'rent Strokes. Her name was always relegated to the closing credits, alongside the other guest actors of the episode. Despite her numerous appearances, she - technically - wasn't an official cast member. —The Real One Returns 06:29, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

After some research it appears you are right. Staring roles include Fame, Good Times, but Diff'rent Strokes is a recurring role.

Imagine that. - The Real One Returns 22:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

personal life

Personal items such as her marriages ought to be in a separate section. Were there children?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs)

This article is not structured that way, nor is it required to be by wikipedia. She has never had children, so why put emphasis on a subject that does not exist? The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 08:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

what about the men in her life(james debarge,jermaine dupri,etc.)? Smokiewight (talk) 03:35, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

All of them mentioned in the article already. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 06:17, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Please change Janet's picture

Hello,

I've read through the discussion page and agree with other wiki users that the current photo of Janet needs to be changed. Not only is it out dated, but it isn't the best representation of her classic look at all. I do sympathise in what you've said to the other users and agree completely that the other possible photos are not suitable or flattering. All I ask is if you could put a few feelers out on fan sites to see if anyone has any free images to give, seeing as you've made it clear that you're responsible for the article and seem to be quite proud of it. If you've already done this then thank you, if not then I'm sure a lot of people including myself would be very thankful. Kind Regards. Janetfan 00:38, 25th January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.179.254 (talk)

I did contact a few fansites last year to see if they could e-mail me any freely licensed photos, or if they could upload any directly. I got no response. I assume - like most fansite - all of Jackson's fan-based websites only have copyright photos; not ones taken by the owners of the site. Hopefully, more people will take photos during her next concert tour or any upcoming special events she might attend. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 08:18, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

"Star" in shows

Seriously, people, did she "star" in every show she appeared in?

I would argue, no, probably not by any reasonable metric. This smells like PR.

Sukiari (talk) 20:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Paragraph on American Idol Appearance on 5/26/2010

I think this paragraph should be re-tooled. It sounds like it belongs more on a fan site than Wikipedia. While I agree she got thunderous applause, we can't say that it was the most well received performance ever. I remembered when Prince performed everyone went crazy. Anyway that paragraph contains too much of an opinion and not a lot of fact. It should be reworded or removed.

Here is the paragraph that I object to:

"On May 26, 2010 she performed on the season finale of american idol, she recieved a standing ovation from all four judges, and as she walked off stage much of the crowd cheered her name for an encore. She recieved a greater cheer of enthusiasm from the audience than any other performer in idol history. she was even recieved better from the audience than the new winner of idol that night."

Thank you.

Thediva (talk) 20:42, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced and poorly-written twaddle. It's gone. Rodhullandemu 20:49, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Darn, I was in the middle of rewriting it. But no worries, I've restored a neutral, fact-based version of the American Idol bit with a source. — ξ^xplicit 20:52, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Number siblings

There were ten: From Rebbie Jackson article: Rebbie, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, La Toya, Brandon (d. 1957), Marlon, Michael (d. 2009), Randy and Janet. Gerardw (talk) 02:23, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

blackglama fur ad

Recently Janet has been in the news for her apparent support of the fur trade and subsequent outrage by PETA and others who stand in opposition to what they perceive as the cruel business of fur. This is highly historically significant and should be mentioned in the article.Mrrealtime (talk) 18:54, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't about it being "historically" significant, but I added a paragraph on the subject. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 06:01, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Janet's Picture

I've just been searching wiki and noticed that Madonna's page has an image which isn't free, with the photographer being credited as source and author, and links to his website. My enquiry is to ask if it would be possible to use a similar image of Janet as long as credit/copyright was given to the photographer? 22:30, 3 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Janetfan2010 (talk • contribs)

The photographer who took that image of Madonna uploaded it onto wikipedia personally, giving wikipedia permission to use it. No copyright images can be used as the main image of a biography if there are free images available, unless the copyright holder gives permission to do so. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 04:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

The Jackson's Photograph...

I see that the photo of Jackon on the set of The Jacksons was deleted because it has "no fair use rationale for use" in the article. I just wanted to see if it is possible to have it available for use in this article. Ga Be 19 04:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Reviews

It must be said, under the reviews of the "Control" album, there are attacks against Patti LaBelle, Whitney Houston, and Diana Ross. Of all the reviews that are out there at the time "Control" was released, it is really unacceptable to attack other artists to try and make Jackson appear better than them. It is cowardly and unneccessary to do so. LaBelle's, Houston's, and Ross' articles do not attack Jackson so why should her article attack them? And you can bet there is ample opportunity. There are plenty of reviews were Jackson's whimsical, weak, and thin vocals were attacked when new albums by vocal powerhouses like Houston and LaBelle were being released; and also Ross, who has a much better voice than Janet Jackson. So it would seem better to replace those reviews with ones that actually talk about "Control" itself, not putting other people down to make this album appear better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.112.134 (talk) 02:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Infobox image date

Could someone clarify when this photo was taken? The Commons tag at Janet Jackson 4.jpg contradicts itself on whether it was 2008 or 2009.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

The Flickr source says September 10, 2008, and according to Rock Witchu Tour, this was the only occasion on which JJ appeared in Vancouver. Since the photo was uploaded in 2008, it cannot have been taken in 2009. The Commons image description has been updated.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Marriage(s)?

Has Janet ever been married? This would be great information to add to the article. Estheroliver (talk) 04:29, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

She's been married and divorced twice, which is covered already in the article. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 04:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Typically, most celebrities have distinctive and easy-to-find separate sections for that (ex. "Personal Life" "Marriages"), so somehow I missed it, haha. Estheroliver (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC).

Edit request from 218.186.17.240, 1 June 2011

218.186.17.10 (talk) 03:21, 1 June 2011 (UTC) sh

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Please state exactly what you want changed in the article. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Jean7422, 16 June 2011

In the Music Videos and choreography section, change "Jackson's music videos have also found report within the gay community," to "Jackson's music videos have also found rapport within the gay community. (At least I think this is the meaning the author intended.)

Jean7422 (talk) 05:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Done GaneshBhakt (talk) 07:42, 16 June 2011 (UTC)